[ALAC] ALS certification and decertification votes

Mon Oct 6 00:03:23 UTC 2014

Sorry, I said I could accept option 2 while I mean option 1.

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Tijani BEN JEMAA

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De : Tijani BEN JEMAA [mailto:tijani.benjemaa at planet.tn] 
Envoyé : vendredi 3 octobre 2014 23:36
À : 'Evan Leibovitch'; 'Alan Greenberg'
Cc : 'ALAC'
Objet : RE: [ALAC] ALS certification and decertification votes

Interesting discussion !

I think that we all prefer the transparency as a principle. But we need to identify the advantages and the disadvantages of the 3 options. 

For the decertification, I was convinced by Sala’s argument and find that the impact of the decertification (removing an ALS from the RALO, ALAC and At-Large) justify or perhaps impose an open process.

For the certification, and in case of the concerned RALO was divided in 2 groups, any open vote will result in a destruction of the relationship between part of the RALO and the ALAC members that I consider a major disadvantage, while a confidential vote would make the ALAC members express their opinion without causing any tension.

I do appreciate the position of Alan with his flexibility. I can accept the option 2 even if I find that some ALAC members may make a courteously vote.

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Tijani BEN JEMAA

Executive Director

Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (FMAI)

Phone:  + 216 41 649 605

Mobile: + 216 98 330 114

Fax:       + 216 70 853 376

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De : alac-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Evan Leibovitch
Envoyé : vendredi 3 octobre 2014 20:28
À : Alan Greenberg
Cc : ALAC
Objet : Re: [ALAC] ALS certification and decertification votes

On 3 October 2014 14:59, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca> wrote:

> I have to question how much refinement we should be putting into something

> that so far, has happened perhaps once every year or two or three and to

> the best of my recollection has only been challenged once in our history.

> 

> Personally, I can readily accept 1 or 3.  Which I have a preference for I

> will keep to myself for the moment.

> 

> I would prefer not to take 2, but could accept it, but suspect it may make

> us unable to properly fulfill our mandate and we would need to do some

> additional investigation regarding the interpretation of the Bylaws and how

> ombudsman issues are resolved.

Agreed, though I would go further and say I find #2 (completely secret) to

be unacceptable.

Sorry, Tijani, but you need to make a more compelling case of why complete

vote secrecy -- that does not even trust the discretion of the ALAC chair

-- is demanded. It is my view that we must have openness as the default

action, and only compromise it (ie choice #1) in rare and exceptional

circumstances.

- Evan

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