[ALAC] ALS certification and decertification votes

sandra hoferichter info at hoferichter.eu
Sun Oct 5 17:23:46 UTC 2014


Ed this sounds like a better option to me because then an ALAC member has to have good reasons to justify a secret vote. 

Best Sandra

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> Am 05.10.2014 um 17:41 schrieb Eduardo Diaz <eduardodiazrivera at gmail.com>:
> 
> What if we say that all votes are open but, in those cases where there is a
> concern in voting openly, it gets discussed to reach consensus in ALAC as
> to whether in the specific case it goes secret or semi-secret. In other
> words, the default is that every vote is open except if someone requests
> not to be so and then, at that time, ALAC decides by consensus if the vote
> goes secret or whatever.
> 
> -ed
> 
> On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Subrenat, Jean-Jacques <jjs at dyalog.net>
> wrote:
> 
>> @Sandra +1.
>> Jean-Jacques.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ----- Mail original -----
>> De: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>
>> À: "Carlton Samuels" <carlton.samuels at gmail.com>
>> Cc: "ALAC" <alac at atlarge-lists.icann.org>, "Alan Greenberg" <
>> alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>
>> Envoyé: Samedi 4 Octobre 2014 10:37:17
>> Objet: Re: [ALAC] ALS certification and decertification votes
>> 
>> 
>>  Current institutional arrangements and the
>> 
>>> configuration is that at least ten (10) ALAC members are supposed to be
>>> reflecting their sense of ALS positions to ALAC and thence, to the Board
>>> and community.
>>> 
>>> If an ALAC member cannot vote and publicly justify one's vote then that
>>> member is unworthy of being an ALAC member.
>>> 
>>> Mark me down as unanimous on that.
>>> 
>>> -Carlton
>> ++++1 Carlton and Sandra
>> 
>>> 
>>> ==============================
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>>> 
>>> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 3:51 PM, Tijani BENJEMAA <
>> tijani.benjemaa at topnet.tn
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Dear Alan,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Unfortunately, I didn't attend the last ALAC call. I do appreciate that
>>>> this
>>>> issue was brought to the table.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I do think that the ALS certification and decertification votes should
>> be
>>>> conducted as confidential votes to avoid any tension or harassment.
>> Even
>>>> staff and the ALAC chair shouldn't know how ALAC Members voted. We may
>>> ask
>>>> voters to give the rational of their vote, but anonymously.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> My fear is that when the ALAC members cast their votes knowing that
>> there
>>>> will be someone (staff and ALAC Chair) who will see how they voted,
>> they
>>>> will not vote according to their conscience, they will modulate their
>>>> choice
>>>> according the relationship they think staff members and ALAC Chair have
>>>> with
>>>> the concerned ALS.
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> ----
>>>> 
>>>> Tijani BEN JEMAA
>>>> 
>>>> Executive Director
>>>> 
>>>> Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (FMAI)
>>>> 
>>>> Phone:  + 216 41 649 605
>>>> 
>>>> Mobile: + 216 98 330 114
>>>> 
>>>> Fax:       + 216 70 853 376
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> ----
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> -----Message d'origine-----
>>>> De : alac-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>>>> [mailto:alac-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Alan
>>> Greenberg
>>>> Envoyé : jeudi 2 octobre 2014 14:37
>>>> À : ALAC
>>>> Objet : [ALAC] ALS certification and decertification votes
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> On our last ALAC call, Olivier brought up the subject of whether ALS
>>>> 
>>>> certification and decertification votes should use secret ballots
>>>> 
>>>> (such as we used for personnel votes) or not, and it was decided to
>>>> 
>>>> discuss the issue on the mailing list.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> The history is that most ALAC votes are open and it is disclosed who
>>>> 
>>>> voted which way, with the exception of personnel votes and others
>>>> 
>>>> that the ALAC explicitly decides should be secret. We have made such
>>>> 
>>>> a decision of rare occasions. The only example I can recall is when
>>>> 
>>>> we voted on whether to file objections to the .health new TLDs and we
>>>> 
>>>> did so to avoid any harassment of ALAC members who voted for such
>>>> objections.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> A couple of years ago, a change was made to certification and
>>>> 
>>>> decertification votes to change them from open to closed because of
>>>> 
>>>> one or more objections filed by applicants. There is also a concern
>>>> 
>>>> that a rejected application could lead to harassment of those who
>>>> 
>>>> rejected it, and a concern that people might not vote honestly if the
>>>> 
>>>> result was public (similar to the reason for secret ballots on
>>>> 
>>>> personnel votes).
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I think that this concern should be considered.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> However, under our rules and the ICANN Bylaws, ALS certification and
>>>> 
>>>> decertification decisions may be appealed to the Board. As such, we
>>>> 
>>>> should be in a position to explain why a decision was made.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Accordingly I offer the following proposal.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ALS certification votes shall be conducted in such a way that there
>>>> 
>>>> will be no public disclosure of how ALAC Members voted. However, the
>>>> 
>>>> details of how ALAC Members voted will be available to ICANN At-Large
>>>> 
>>>> staff and the ALAC Chair to allow them to conduct private interviews
>>>> 
>>>> with voters to be able to put together a rationale for why any
>>>> 
>>>> particular decision was made.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Comments?
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Alan
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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