[ALAC] ALS certification and decertification votes
sandra hoferichter
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Sun Oct 5 17:23:46 UTC 2014
Ed this sounds like a better option to me because then an ALAC member has to have good reasons to justify a secret vote.
Best Sandra
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> Am 05.10.2014 um 17:41 schrieb Eduardo Diaz <eduardodiazrivera at gmail.com>:
>
> What if we say that all votes are open but, in those cases where there is a
> concern in voting openly, it gets discussed to reach consensus in ALAC as
> to whether in the specific case it goes secret or semi-secret. In other
> words, the default is that every vote is open except if someone requests
> not to be so and then, at that time, ALAC decides by consensus if the vote
> goes secret or whatever.
>
> -ed
>
> On Sat, Oct 4, 2014 at 2:58 PM, Subrenat, Jean-Jacques <jjs at dyalog.net>
> wrote:
>
>> @Sandra +1.
>> Jean-Jacques.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Mail original -----
>> De: "Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro" <salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>
>> À: "Carlton Samuels" <carlton.samuels at gmail.com>
>> Cc: "ALAC" <alac at atlarge-lists.icann.org>, "Alan Greenberg" <
>> alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>
>> Envoyé: Samedi 4 Octobre 2014 10:37:17
>> Objet: Re: [ALAC] ALS certification and decertification votes
>>
>>
>> Current institutional arrangements and the
>>
>>> configuration is that at least ten (10) ALAC members are supposed to be
>>> reflecting their sense of ALS positions to ALAC and thence, to the Board
>>> and community.
>>>
>>> If an ALAC member cannot vote and publicly justify one's vote then that
>>> member is unworthy of being an ALAC member.
>>>
>>> Mark me down as unanimous on that.
>>>
>>> -Carlton
>> ++++1 Carlton and Sandra
>>
>>>
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>>> On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 3:51 PM, Tijani BENJEMAA <
>> tijani.benjemaa at topnet.tn
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dear Alan,
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Unfortunately, I didn't attend the last ALAC call. I do appreciate that
>>>> this
>>>> issue was brought to the table.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I do think that the ALS certification and decertification votes should
>> be
>>>> conducted as confidential votes to avoid any tension or harassment.
>> Even
>>>> staff and the ALAC chair shouldn't know how ALAC Members voted. We may
>>> ask
>>>> voters to give the rational of their vote, but anonymously.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> My fear is that when the ALAC members cast their votes knowing that
>> there
>>>> will be someone (staff and ALAC Chair) who will see how they voted,
>> they
>>>> will not vote according to their conscience, they will modulate their
>>>> choice
>>>> according the relationship they think staff members and ALAC Chair have
>>>> with
>>>> the concerned ALS.
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> ----
>>>>
>>>> Tijani BEN JEMAA
>>>>
>>>> Executive Director
>>>>
>>>> Mediterranean Federation of Internet Associations (FMAI)
>>>>
>>>> Phone: + 216 41 649 605
>>>>
>>>> Mobile: + 216 98 330 114
>>>>
>>>> Fax: + 216 70 853 376
>> ----------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> ----
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -----Message d'origine-----
>>>> De : alac-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org
>>>> [mailto:alac-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] De la part de Alan
>>> Greenberg
>>>> Envoyé : jeudi 2 octobre 2014 14:37
>>>> À : ALAC
>>>> Objet : [ALAC] ALS certification and decertification votes
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On our last ALAC call, Olivier brought up the subject of whether ALS
>>>>
>>>> certification and decertification votes should use secret ballots
>>>>
>>>> (such as we used for personnel votes) or not, and it was decided to
>>>>
>>>> discuss the issue on the mailing list.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The history is that most ALAC votes are open and it is disclosed who
>>>>
>>>> voted which way, with the exception of personnel votes and others
>>>>
>>>> that the ALAC explicitly decides should be secret. We have made such
>>>>
>>>> a decision of rare occasions. The only example I can recall is when
>>>>
>>>> we voted on whether to file objections to the .health new TLDs and we
>>>>
>>>> did so to avoid any harassment of ALAC members who voted for such
>>>> objections.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> A couple of years ago, a change was made to certification and
>>>>
>>>> decertification votes to change them from open to closed because of
>>>>
>>>> one or more objections filed by applicants. There is also a concern
>>>>
>>>> that a rejected application could lead to harassment of those who
>>>>
>>>> rejected it, and a concern that people might not vote honestly if the
>>>>
>>>> result was public (similar to the reason for secret ballots on
>>>>
>>>> personnel votes).
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think that this concern should be considered.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> However, under our rules and the ICANN Bylaws, ALS certification and
>>>>
>>>> decertification decisions may be appealed to the Board. As such, we
>>>>
>>>> should be in a position to explain why a decision was made.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Accordingly I offer the following proposal.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ALS certification votes shall be conducted in such a way that there
>>>>
>>>> will be no public disclosure of how ALAC Members voted. However, the
>>>>
>>>> details of how ALAC Members voted will be available to ICANN At-Large
>>>>
>>>> staff and the ALAC Chair to allow them to conduct private interviews
>>>>
>>>> with voters to be able to put together a rationale for why any
>>>>
>>>> particular decision was made.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Comments?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Alan
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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