[ALAC] ALS certification and decertification votes

h.raiche at internode.on.net h.raiche at internode.on.net
Fri Oct 3 16:57:55 UTC 2014

Just when I thought this was sorted! 
I agree with Evan's description of what seemed to be the majority view - and originally thought that was what we all agreed upon. 
My suggestion now is to have ALAC members respond ONLY if Evan's summary is not correct.  That way, silence (and hopefully less emails in everyone's in  
box) will mean that the general consensus reached is as Evan describes. 
On Sat 04/10/14 12:54 AM , Evan Leibovitch evan at telly.org sent: 
> On 3 October 2014 10:56, Alan Greenberg <alan 
> .greenberg at mcgill.ca> wrote: 
> > Tijani, I understand. As I previously said, if 
> there is support for your> position, we probably need to make sure it is 
> acceptable in case there is a> dispute. 
> > 
> > 
> > 1. We have general agreement that 
> de-certification votes should be> standard open votes. 
> > 
> > 2. We have general agreement that how ALAC 
> members vote on certification> motions should not be published. 
> > 
> > 3. We have some level of agreement that in the 
> case of a dispute, staff> and Chair can access the details of how people 
> voted to allow a summary> statement to be created on why the request for 
> accreditation did not> succeed. However, there is some disagreement 
> with this.> 
> ​I'm not sure that summary is accurate. 
> Based on my proposal ​-- with which you (Alan) and many others agreed -- 
> isthat in the vast majority of cases where the RALO advice is clear, the 
> ALACcertification vote remains open. *That is the opposite of what you have 
> inpoint #2 above.* 
> Based on the emails to date, only Tijani has expressed the view that 
> allcertification votes should be closed. There is certainly NOT general 
> agreement on that, I oppose it myself. Indeed, some (including myself 
> andRaf) understand that my proposal -- to close the votes *only* for those 
> ALSapplications for which RALO advice is conflicted -- is a difficult 
> compromise, since the preference is to be totally open. 
> - Evan 
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