[ALAC] ALS certification and decertification votes

[Dev Anand Teelucksingh]

Excellent suggestion by Evan. I agree

Dev Anand Teelucksingh


On Thu, Oct 2, 2014 at 2:07 PM, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>
wrote:

> Sounds completely reasonable to me.
>
> Consider my proposal changed.
>
> Alan
>
> At 02/10/2014 12:44 PM, Evan Leibovitch wrote:
>
>> On 2 October 2014 11:08, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro <<mailto:
>> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> Secret ballots on decertification are not transparent.
>> There should be utmost transparency involved in processes such as
>> decertification.
>>
>>
>> ​On reflection, I have the following change of tack.
>>
>> I agree on open votes for Decertification because it is a serious​ act
>> of disenfranchisement. By the time a vote comes up there must be compelling
>> reason to do this, it must not be taken lightly.
>>
>> However, on certification, for better or worse some recent instances have
>> become incredibly politicised, with even the RALO itself unable to properly
>> advise the ALAC on a way to proceed. In these instances, I would prefer a
>> closed vote that enables ALAC members to vote on the merits of the action
>> rather than risk acrimony amongst people they will have to work with. As
>> Alan has said, this is now close to the realm of a personal election, and
>> IMO this is a specific instance in which privacy trumps transparency.
>>
>> So, on reflection, I suggest this:
>>    * Decertification votes are always open.
>>    * Certification votes are open UNLESS the RALO does not provide
>> definitive advice. Then Alan's protocol applies.
>> - Evan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 1:37 AM, Alan Greenberg <<mailto:alan.greenberg@
>> mcgill.ca>alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>
>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > On our last ALAC call, Olivier brought up the subject of whether ALS
>> > certification and decertification votes should use secret ballots (such
>> as
>> > we used for personnel votes) or not, and it was decided to discuss the
>> > issue on the mailing list.
>> >
>> > The history is that most ALAC votes are open and it is disclosed who
>> voted
>> > which way, with the exception of personnel votes and others that the
>> ALAC
>> > explicitly decides should be secret. We have made such a decision of
>> rare
>> > occasions. The only example I can recall is when we voted on whether to
>> > file objections to the .health new TLDs and we did so to avoid any
>> > harassment of ALAC members who voted for such objections.
>> >
>> > A couple of years ago, a change was made to certification and
>> > decertification votes to change them from open to closed because of one
>> or
>> > more objections filed by applicants. There is also a concern that a
>> > rejected application could lead to harassment of those who rejected it,
>> and
>> > a concern that people might not vote honestly if the result was public
>> > (similar to the reason for secret ballots on personnel votes).
>> >
>> > I think that this concern should be considered.
>> >
>> > However, under our rules and the ICANN Bylaws, ALS certification and
>> > decertification decisions may be appealed to the Board. As such, we
>> should
>> > be in a position to explain why a decision was made.
>> >
>> > Accordingly I offer the following proposal.
>> >
>> > ALS certification votes shall be conducted in such a way that there will
>> > be no public disclosure of how ALAC Members voted. However, the details
>> of
>> > how ALAC Members voted will be available to ICANN At-Large staff and the
>> > ALAC Chair to allow them to conduct private interviews with voters to be
>> > able to put together a rationale for why any particular decision was
>> made.
>> >
>> > Comments?
>> >
>> > Alan
>> >
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>> Evan Leibovitch
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