[ALAC] ALS certification and decertification votes

[Alberto Soto]

Evan, I agree with the last suggestion.
Regards

Alberto

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De: alac-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org [mailto:alac-bounces at atlarge-lists.icann.org] En nombre de León Felipe Sánchez Ambía
Enviado el: jueves, 02 de octubre de 2014 01:52 p.m.
Para: Evan Leibovitch
CC: ALAC; Alan Greenberg
Asunto: Re: [ALAC] ALS certification and decertification votes

I like this last suggestion made by Evan.

Best regards,

León
El 02/10/2014, a las 11:44, Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org> escribió:

> On 2 October 2014 11:08, Salanieta T. Tamanikaiwaimaro < 
> salanieta.tamanikaiwaimaro at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Secret ballots on decertification are not transparent.
>> There should be utmost transparency involved in processes such as 
>> decertification.
>> 
> 
> ​On reflection, I have the following change of tack.
> 
> I agree on open votes for Decertification because it is a serious​ act 
> of disenfranchisement. By the time a vote comes up there must be 
> compelling reason to do this, it must not be taken lightly.
> 
> However, on certification, for better or worse some recent instances 
> have become incredibly politicised, with even the RALO itself unable 
> to properly advise the ALAC on a way to proceed. In these instances, I 
> would prefer a closed vote that enables ALAC members to vote on the 
> merits of the action rather than risk acrimony amongst people they 
> will have to work with. As Alan has said, this is now close to the 
> realm of a personal election, and IMO this is a specific instance in which privacy trumps transparency.
> 
> So, on reflection, I suggest this:
> 
>   - Decertification votes are always open.
> 
>   - Certification votes are open UNLESS the RALO does not provide
>   definitive advice. Then Alan's protocol applies.
> 
> - Evan
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> 
>> On Fri, Oct 3, 2014 at 1:37 AM, Alan Greenberg 
>> <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> On our last ALAC call, Olivier brought up the subject of whether ALS 
>>> certification and decertification votes should use secret ballots 
>>> (such
>> as
>>> we used for personnel votes) or not, and it was decided to discuss 
>>> the issue on the mailing list.
>>> 
>>> The history is that most ALAC votes are open and it is disclosed who
>> voted
>>> which way, with the exception of personnel votes and others that the 
>>> ALAC explicitly decides should be secret. We have made such a 
>>> decision of rare occasions. The only example I can recall is when we 
>>> voted on whether to file objections to the .health new TLDs and we 
>>> did so to avoid any harassment of ALAC members who voted for such objections.
>>> 
>>> A couple of years ago, a change was made to certification and 
>>> decertification votes to change them from open to closed because of 
>>> one
>> or
>>> more objections filed by applicants. There is also a concern that a 
>>> rejected application could lead to harassment of those who rejected 
>>> it,
>> and
>>> a concern that people might not vote honestly if the result was 
>>> public (similar to the reason for secret ballots on personnel votes).
>>> 
>>> I think that this concern should be considered.
>>> 
>>> However, under our rules and the ICANN Bylaws, ALS certification and 
>>> decertification decisions may be appealed to the Board. As such, we
>> should
>>> be in a position to explain why a decision was made.
>>> 
>>> Accordingly I offer the following proposal.
>>> 
>>> ALS certification votes shall be conducted in such a way that there 
>>> will be no public disclosure of how ALAC Members voted. However, the 
>>> details
>> of
>>> how ALAC Members voted will be available to ICANN At-Large staff and 
>>> the ALAC Chair to allow them to conduct private interviews with 
>>> voters to be able to put together a rationale for why any particular 
>>> decision was
>> made.
>>> 
>>> Comments?
>>> 
>>> Alan
>>> 
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