[ALAC] Follow-up on the ALAC Advice to the Board regarding PICs

[Holly Raiche]

Thanks Evan - And Alan - has the vote been suspended or, based on what Evan is saying, do we vote?

Thanks

Holly
On 14 Nov 2014, at 7:34 am, Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org> wrote:

> Just a clarification.
> 
> I am not changing to reflect the addition comments (vis PDPs), which is additional substance. The modifications will only be regarding Olivier's minor grammatical and clarification proposals.
> 
> I would *like* to put the substantive changes in, but they're not appropriate given the timelines.
> 
> And since the changes are not of substance but just grammar and clarity, I'm not sure the vote itself has been suspended.
> 
> - Evan
> 
> 
> On 13 November 2014 15:28, Holly Raiche <h.raiche at internode.on.net> wrote:
> Okay - so we are not voting.  I also agree with the proposals suggested by Evan - when he manages the time to incorporate the changes, and the changes suggested by Olivier
> 
> Holly
> On 14 Nov 2014, at 6:54 am, León Felipe Sánchez Ambía <leonfelipe at sanchez.mx> wrote:
> 
> > Thanks Alan, Olivier and Evan,
> >
> > I agree with the proposed changes suggested by Olivier.
> >
> > Best regards,
> >
> > León
> >> El 13/11/2014, a las 13:44, Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org> escribió:
> >>
> >> OK.
> >>
> >> I had thought that once the vote started, the draft being voted on was set
> >> in stone.
> >>
> >> The changes Olivier suggests are all reasonable. I'm pressed for time today
> >> but will try to do the changes.
> >>
> >> - Evan
> >>
> >>
> >> On 13 November 2014 14:34, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca <mailto:alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Evan, I believe that all (or most) of the changes that Olivier is
> >>> suggesting are cosmetic and do not at all change the intent or meaning of
> >>> the statement. If I had more time, I probably would have caught most last
> >>> night. Please try to make these changes and I will get it reported (and a
> >>> formal note of explanation to the ALAC) when I return in a few hours.
> >>>
> >>> Alan
> >>>
> >>> At 13/11/2014 01:57 PM, Evan Leibovitch wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 13 November 2014 11:28, Olivier MJ Crepin-Leblond <ocl at gih.com <mailto:ocl at gih.com>> wrote:
> >>> Dear Alan,
> >>>
> >>> thank you for this. I realise that time is of the essence, so will be
> >>> short in my comments:
> >>>
> >>> 1. This is a formal follow-up Advice from the ALAC.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ​Maybe this is hair-splitting, but it is more as background to existing
> >>> advice -- caused by the Board's need for more information -- rather than
> >>> new independent Advice.
> >>>
> >>> ALAC has long had to deal with different classifications of what it votes
> >>> on. As this document itself contains no recommended courses of action
> >>> itself, I would not call it Advice.​
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> As such, when
> >>> mentioning names etc. it should be better if a certain level of
> >>> formality is upheld. When citing names, please cite the full name:
> >>> "The heightened protection measures announced by Fadi, at the start of
> >>> ICANN51"
> >>> -> The heightened protection measures announced by ICANN President and
> >>> CEO Fadi Chehadé, at the start of ICANN51"
> >>> ​
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> [...other generally-sensible edits ...]​
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ​Believe me, Olivier, given more time there is much that could have been
> >>> refined, added, and maybe even taken out. Notably, more time would have
> >>> enabled direct answers to the illogical Registry response that PICs can
> >>> only be fixed through a PDP (as the PICs themselves were not created by a
> >>> PDP).
> >>>
> >>> But doing even a usable statement able to actually be effective has been a
> >>> fight ​against time, which is the reason the voting period is so
> >>> compressed. Similarly, consultation with the gTLD WG was also compressed
> >>> (and was not helped when the email thread started by my urgently asking the
> >>> WG to review the original draft was hijacked for an unrelated purpose :-P ).
> >>>
> >>> The Board is **now** considering its response to our Advice from ICANN51.
> >>> To say this "backgrounder" was done expediently is an understatement. In
> >>> the time it would take to incorporate your edits (and others that would be
> >>> considered), the document will have been rendered nearly useless by not
> >>> getting to the Board in time. Your indulgence is appreciated.
> >>>
> >>> ​OTOH, if there is anything FACTUALLY (rather than stylistically) wrong
> >>> with the doc, that needs addressing.​
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> ​- Evan​
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
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> Evan Leibovitch
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