[ALAC] Rules of Procedure - Draft for discussion at 26 March ALAC meeting

Mon Mar 25 22:26:29 UTC 2013

Yup. Pretty much what I suggested (although it 
took a while to get out to the list).

Alan

At 25/03/2013 05:52 PM, Eduardo Diaz wrote:
>True. Maybe we can state it as follows:
>
>11.4.2 For votes taken electronically or over a period of time, all ALAC
>Members are deemed to have been present. More than 50% of the ALAC Members
>have to vote to be considered valid.
>-ed
>On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 3:30 PM, Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org> wrote:
>
> > On 25 March 2013 15:03, Eduardo Diaz <eduardodiazrivera at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Evan:
> >>
> >> 11.4.2  establishes quorum by indicating that  "...all members are deemed
> >> to have been present". If a member does not want to participate in the
> >> electronic vote, his/her vote will not have any balance in the final
> >> result. For whatever reason people just do not vote sometimes.
> >>
> >
> > Well, if a Member is deemed to be present their "non vote" still needs to
> > be counted in a final tally. If it's to be counted as an abstention that
> > needs to be made explicity (ie, my first option). Preferably, a poll that
> > cannot attract a majority of ALAC members to cast a vote -- even an
> > explicit abstention -- should IMO not be considered any more valid than an
> > in-person show of hands in which a majority of Members are out of the room.
> > It looks awful as a matter of acccountability, and is subject to
> > manipulation.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > - Evan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >>
> >> -ed
> >>
> >> On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org> wrote:
> >>
> >>>  Thanks for this work. I approve of the changes and believe they do
> >>> improve
> >>> clarity.
> >>>
> >>> I have one question (and apologize for the tardiness, I haven't really
> >>> been
> >>> contributing much):
> >>>
> >>> *11.4.2 For votes taken electronically or over a period of time, all ALAC
> >>> Members  are deemed to have been present*
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I wonder if this may be problematic, in cases where an online vote
> >>> (nominally now done by BigPulse) is held, but does not have many
> >>> participants. If a BigPulse vote is held but does not have at least a
> >>> quorum's worth of votes, does it still count?
> >>>
> >>> I would suggest choosing either of two paths:
> >>>
> >>> either
> >>>
> >>> *  11.4.2 For votes taken electronically or over a period of time, all
> >>> ALAC
> >>>
> >>> Members  are deemed to have been present. Members who do not participate
> >>> in
> >>> the vote will be deemed to have abstained.
> >>> *
> >>>
> >>> or
> >>>
> >>> *  11.4.2 For votes taken electronically or over a period of time, at
> >>> least
> >>>
> >>> 50% of sitting ALAC members must record a vote in order for the result to
> >>> be a valid decision*
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> My preference is for the second choice but I can live with either.
> >>>
> >>> - Evan
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 25 March 2013 03:52, Yaovi Atohoun <yaovito at yahoo.fr> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Dear Alan,
> >>> >
> >>> > Thank you again for the hard work.
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >   A/    comments/questions
> >>> >
> >>> > 1)  Does "recall" of an ALT member means that this member is no  more
> >>> > member of ALT but remains an ALAC member?
> >>> > 2)  For BCEC it is mentioned: A new BCEC will be convened for each
> >>> Board
> >>> > Seat Selection Process in 19.3.  Please don't we need such precision
> >>> for
> >>> > BMSPC too?
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > B/    Comment
> >>> >
> >>> > 1) I would prefer to see also included in 12.1.15   the removal of an
> >>> ALAC
> >>> > member.  I note that  21.2 is saying  "should a vote be necessary
> >>> ......"
> >>> >
> >>> > C/ One thought
> >>> >
> >>> > Could we have a situation where a chair decide to become a regular ALT
> >>> or
> >>> > ALAC member in a situation where he thinks that he could not more
> >>> carry the
> >>> > work load?
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > Thank you
> >>> > Yaovi
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> > ________________________________
> >>> >  De : Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>
> >>> > À : ALAC Working List <alac at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
> >>> > Envoyé le : Lundi 25 mars 2013 6h23
> >>> > Objet : [ALAC] Rules of Procedure - Draft for discussion at 26 March
> >>> ALAC
> >>> > meeting
> >>> >
> >>> > Attached please find the Draft Rules of Procedure for discussion at
> >>> the 26
> >>> > March 2013 ALAC meeting. Also attached is a redline version showing
> >>> most of
> >>> > the changes from the RoP discussed at the 19 March 2013 meeting.
> >>> >
> >>> > In addition to the changes detailed below, there are two sets of
> >>> changes
> >>> > what do not show in the redline:
> >>> >
> >>> > - A number of corrections to cross-references within the document.
> >>> > - The movement of what was "10.3 Meeting Rules" to "10. Rules of the
> >>> > ALAC". This change was not shown in the redline version since the move
> >>> > caused all of the following paragraph numbers to be changed, making the
> >>> > document quite confusing.
> >>> >
> >>> > Changes showing in the redline version:
> >>> >
> >>> > 1. Clarifying the status of individual members within At-large.
> >>> > 1.2 clarification of rules used.
> >>> > 2. Add definition of Super-majority and capitalize it where used within
> >>> > the document.
> >>> > 5.2 and other places: Define AAGM on first usage, and us it instead of
> >>> AGM
> >>> > within the document (some occurrences previously said AGM).
> >>> > 5.6 Made reference to privileges associated only with the "ALAC Chair"
> >>> > clearer.
> >>> > 5.13 Replaced reference to Ombudsman with an alternative phrase taken
> >>> from
> >>> > the ICANN Bylaws.
> >>> > 5.14 Added condition that only those who have at least one other ALAC
> >>> > member supporting them can be named Chair.
> >>> > 10.1 The section on rules was moved because it did not apply only to
> >>> > meetings. The addition of "or activities" acknowledges this.
> >>> > 11.4.2 Add a word that had inadvertently been omitted.
> >>> > 11.4.4 Removal of a redundant phrase.
> >>> > 11.2.3 Addition of rule to allow more stringent rules for motion
> >>> adoption.
> >>> >
> >>> > The draft RoP can also be found at https://community.icann.org/x/VoYi.
> >>> >
> >>> > Alan
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
> >>> >
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