[ALAC] Rules of Procedure - Draft for discussion at 26 March ALAC meeting

Mon Mar 25 19:30:46 UTC 2013

On 25 March 2013 15:03, Eduardo Diaz <eduardodiazrivera at gmail.com> wrote:

> Evan:
>
> 11.4.2  establishes quorum by indicating that  "...all members are deemed
> to have been present". If a member does not want to participate in the
> electronic vote, his/her vote will not have any balance in the final
> result. For whatever reason people just do not vote sometimes.
>

Well, if a Member is deemed to be present their "non vote" still needs to
be counted in a final tally. If it's to be counted as an abstention that
needs to be made explicity (ie, my first option). Preferably, a poll that
cannot attract a majority of ALAC members to cast a vote -- even an
explicit abstention -- should IMO not be considered any more valid than an
in-person show of hands in which a majority of Members are out of the room.
It looks awful as a matter of acccountability, and is subject to
manipulation.

Cheers,

- Evan

>
> -ed
>
> On Mon, Mar 25, 2013 at 2:27 PM, Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org> wrote:
>
>>  Thanks for this work. I approve of the changes and believe they do
>> improve
>> clarity.
>>
>> I have one question (and apologize for the tardiness, I haven't really
>> been
>> contributing much):
>>
>> *11.4.2 For votes taken electronically or over a period of time, all ALAC
>> Members  are deemed to have been present*
>>
>>
>> I wonder if this may be problematic, in cases where an online vote
>> (nominally now done by BigPulse) is held, but does not have many
>> participants. If a BigPulse vote is held but does not have at least a
>> quorum's worth of votes, does it still count?
>>
>> I would suggest choosing either of two paths:
>>
>> either
>>
>> *  11.4.2 For votes taken electronically or over a period of time, all
>> ALAC
>>
>> Members  are deemed to have been present. Members who do not participate
>> in
>> the vote will be deemed to have abstained.
>> *
>>
>> or
>>
>> *  11.4.2 For votes taken electronically or over a period of time, at
>> least
>>
>> 50% of sitting ALAC members must record a vote in order for the result to
>> be a valid decision*
>>
>>
>>
>> My preference is for the second choice but I can live with either.
>>
>> - Evan
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 25 March 2013 03:52, Yaovi Atohoun <yaovito at yahoo.fr> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > Dear Alan,
>> >
>> > Thank you again for the hard work.
>> >
>> >
>> >   A/    comments/questions
>> >
>> > 1)  Does "recall" of an ALT member means that this member is no  more
>> > member of ALT but remains an ALAC member?
>> > 2)  For BCEC it is mentioned: A new BCEC will be convened for each Board
>> > Seat Selection Process in 19.3.  Please don't we need such precision for
>> > BMSPC too?
>> >
>> >
>> > B/    Comment
>> >
>> > 1) I would prefer to see also included in 12.1.15   the removal of an
>> ALAC
>> > member.  I note that  21.2 is saying  "should a vote be necessary
>> ......"
>> >
>> > C/ One thought
>> >
>> > Could we have a situation where a chair decide to become a regular ALT
>> or
>> > ALAC member in a situation where he thinks that he could not more carry
>> the
>> > work load?
>> >
>> >
>> > Thank you
>> > Yaovi
>> >
>> >
>> > ________________________________
>> >  De : Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>
>> > À : ALAC Working List <alac at atlarge-lists.icann.org>
>> > Envoyé le : Lundi 25 mars 2013 6h23
>> > Objet : [ALAC] Rules of Procedure - Draft for discussion at 26 March
>> ALAC
>> > meeting
>> >
>> > Attached please find the Draft Rules of Procedure for discussion at the
>> 26
>> > March 2013 ALAC meeting. Also attached is a redline version showing
>> most of
>> > the changes from the RoP discussed at the 19 March 2013 meeting.
>> >
>> > In addition to the changes detailed below, there are two sets of changes
>> > what do not show in the redline:
>> >
>> > - A number of corrections to cross-references within the document.
>> > - The movement of what was "10.3 Meeting Rules" to "10. Rules of the
>> > ALAC". This change was not shown in the redline version since the move
>> > caused all of the following paragraph numbers to be changed, making the
>> > document quite confusing.
>> >
>> > Changes showing in the redline version:
>> >
>> > 1. Clarifying the status of individual members within At-large.
>> > 1.2 clarification of rules used.
>> > 2. Add definition of Super-majority and capitalize it where used within
>> > the document.
>> > 5.2 and other places: Define AAGM on first usage, and us it instead of
>> AGM
>> > within the document (some occurrences previously said AGM).
>> > 5.6 Made reference to privileges associated only with the "ALAC Chair"
>> > clearer.
>> > 5.13 Replaced reference to Ombudsman with an alternative phrase taken
>> from
>> > the ICANN Bylaws.
>> > 5.14 Added condition that only those who have at least one other ALAC
>> > member supporting them can be named Chair.
>> > 10.1 The section on rules was moved because it did not apply only to
>> > meetings. The addition of "or activities" acknowledges this.
>> > 11.4.2 Add a word that had inadvertently been omitted.
>> > 11.4.4 Removal of a redundant phrase.
>> > 11.2.3 Addition of rule to allow more stringent rules for motion
>> adoption.
>> >
>> > The draft RoP can also be found at https://community.icann.org/x/VoYi.
>> >
>> > Alan
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >
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