[ALAC] RUSH: Statement on ccTLD/gTLD Delegation/Redelegation Consultation

Thu Mar 21 05:39:21 UTC 2013

Dear Cheryl,

Thank you very much for your explanation. Have I to delete my comment
or to move it to another place?

Best regards,
Oksana

2013/3/20 Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org>:
>
> We can talk about the need to do this all we want. But, based on the one
> concrete example to date, informed ALS input can be (and is) ignored without
> consequence. And when the RALO threatens to get involved, just send in some
> lawyers to intimidate and shut them up.
>
> This is not theory. This actually happened with .pr. I was personally in a
> F2F NARALO meeting that had more lawyers in the room than ALSs reps.
>
> So unless we have something to say beyond wishful thinking, that accounts
> for and learns from real lessons of the past and has the actual promise to
> change policy and prevent intimidation of At-Large members, we are wasting
> our time and ought not to lend respectability to a process done only for
> show.
>
> - Evan
>
>
>
> On 20 March 2013 14:30, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca> wrote:
>>
>> Cheryl, I am on a WG call and only just noticed this thread.
>>
>> I agree with your reply. Oksana's comment is very relevant to the
>> ccTLD redelegation process and the need to get the entire 'Local
>> Internet Community" and  'Significantly Interested Parties' involved,
>> which certainly can include a local ALS, is critical. But this
>> particular comment period is not the place to lock in such a process.
>>
>> Alan
>>
>> At 20/03/2013 01:52 PM, Cheryl Langdon-Orr wrote:
>> >Oksana your points are well made  and this process for greater engagement
>> >with direct push information  to ALSes on many ICANN matters including
>> > the
>> >work of the IANA on delegation and redelegation is a conversation we
>> > *must*
>> >have (and soon I would think) so perhaps between Beijing and Durbin
>> >meetings...  But  I copy here an email I sent earlier today re this
>> > matter
>> >to the APRALO list  to inform their discussion and the ALAC Working
>> > list...
>> >
>> ><snip>Just to be clear the Call for Public Comments that the ALAC is
>> >responding to iin its draft is *not*  looking *AT* any new gTLD or ccTLD
>> >deligations or  redeligations per se at all; *but is*  limited to comment
>> >on proposed performance measures and metrics for IANA performance in
>> >processing such things, as required under the new contract with NTIA,
>> > when
>> >they do (rarely) come to pass...
>> >
>> >Discussion on specific cases as might be tempting is interesting and
>> >occasionally challenging of course but *not* germane to this piece of
>> > work
>> >at all.
>> >
>> >CLO from my Mobile phone <end snip>
>> >*Cheryl Langdon-Orr ...  **(CLO)*
>> >  http://about.me/cheryl.LangdonOrr
>> >
>> >
>> >On 21 March 2013 04:33, Oksana Prykhodko <sana.pryhod at gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > > Dear all,
>> > >
>> > > I just submitted my comment on the wiki, but I would like to copy it
>> > > here - with some explanations.
>> > >
>> > > "In my opinion, "accountability and transparency of the involvement of
>> > > the 'Local Internet Community" and  'Significantly Interested
>> > > Parties'" mean also consultation with ALSes, which represent
>> > > "interested or affected" local Internet community. It means that each
>> > > such ALS has to receive direct e-mail from ICANN At-Large Staff with
>> > > information, that IANA received any request for redelegation. In case,
>> > > if ANY of such ALSes will object to such redelegation, this objection
>> > > has to be considered on the level of corresponding RALO and the result
>> > > of this consideration has to be reported to ALAC. In case if ALAC will
>> > > find such objections reasonable, the decision of ALAC has to be
>> > > submitted to the Board."
>> > >
>> > > Explanations: I would like to clarify the role, the rights and
>> > > responsibilities of each ALS in any issue, which is "interesting or
>> > > affecting for local community". In case of redelegation of ccTLD or
>> > > delegation of new IDNS ccTLD it's easy to find such ALSes. In case of
>> > > new gTLD it would be necessary to relay on dashboard, on which
>> > > Capacity Building WG is working just now. That is why it is necessary
>> > > to register the sphere of primary interests of each ALS in this
>> > > dashboard.
>> > >
>> > > Best regards,
>> > > Oksana
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > 2013/3/19 Evan Leibovitch <evan at telly.org>:
>> > > > Looks OK to me. But given how anything ICANN even suggests to the
>> > > > ccNSO
>> > > > that isn't purely procedural (ie, the FOI) is met with
>> > > > out-of-your-jurisdiction fury in response (see the lengthy response
>> > > > to a
>> > > > single line of the R3 white paper as but one example), I really
>> > > > wonder
>> > > > whether the ccTLD component of this (both the statement and the
>> > > > response)
>> > > > is more than wishful thinking
>> > > >
>> > > > - Evan
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > On 19 March 2013 15:02, Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>
>> > > > wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > >> Cheryl and I were asked to put together a statement in responce to
>> > > >> the
>> > > >> IANA ccTLG delegation/redelagation consultation (
>> > > >> https://community.icann.org/**x/EgFlAg<
>> > > https://community.icann.org/x/EgFlAg>)
>> > > >> and the similar one for gTLDs
>> > > >> (https://community.icann.org/**x/CgFlAg<
>> > > https://community.icann.org/x/CgFlAg>
>> > > >> ).
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Unfortunately, due to other commitments, it is just now that the
>> > > statement
>> > > >> is ready and can be found on the ccTLD consulation page (
>> > > >> https://community.icann.org/**x/EgFlAg<
>> > > https://community.icann.org/x/EgFlAg>
>> > > >> ).
>> > > >>
>> > > >> The statement must be submitted by the end of Wednesday, so I am
>> > > guessing
>> > > >> that it will be submitted just prior to a vote beginning. Therefore
>> > > >> it
>> > > is
>> > > >> essential that any comments on this statement be submitted very
>> > > >> quickly.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> I am also attaching a copy of the proposed statement for your
>> > > convenience.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> I will leave it to Olivier to decide on the exact process to be
>> > > followed.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> Alan
>> > > >>
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