[ALAC] Draft Statement on the questions from IGO/INGO PDP WG

Alan Greenberg alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca
Tue Jan 8 14:31:27 UTC 2013


Still do not agree.

With respect to the GNSO, your opinion is not technically correct, in 
that the GNSO has never had that question on the table. The GNSO 
(correctly) delegated the question to a DT which chose not to pursue 
that due to lack of interest among its members. I was the only one to 
raise it with no other real support. The present PDP WG *IS* 
considering this as one of the possibilities and the questions being 
answered specifically give an opening for us to answer in the way we did.

To dream that this set of answers is going to come to the attention 
of the Board really has no basis. They have remanded the subject to 
the GNSO (and taken flack from the GAC as a result).

There is already enough controversy about whether the GAC has an 
advisory role to play over the GNSO and its working groups, which is, 
I think hurting the working relationship between the two. I don't 
think it serves any good purpose to have that kind of antagonism 
aimed at ALAC as well.

Perhaps others can weigh in on this.

Alan

At 07/01/2013 11:59 PM, Evan Leibovitch wrote:

>Here is my rationale.
>
>In continuing to advocate the separation of the RCRC and IOC, we are 
>answering an unasked (or, to be specific, assumed already answered) 
>question. This statement takes the opportunity of the WG 
>solicitation to again advise the whole community of what we see to 
>(still) be a critical mistake. In that sense, I see this as *both* 
>Board advice and response to the WG.
>
>IMO the GNSO has generally seen the splitting of the IOC and RCRC 
>issues as either out of scope or pointless in the face of Board 
>pressure. Thus the audience for continued advocacy on this matter 
>remains the Board, and as such this submission is reasonably stated 
>as advice while it also answers the WG's questions.
>
>Stating the position as advice also emphasises our continuing alarm 
>over an issue that the Board believes to be settled with community consent.
>
>- Evan (via mobile)
>On 2013-01-08 10:10 AM, "Alan Greenberg" 
><<mailto:alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca> wrote:
>Not really sure about that. This is a reply to the PDP WG giving out 
>thoughts on the various questions they are asking to help guide the 
>way to some outcome. As one of many stakeholders participating in 
>the WG, I don't think we really have an "advisory" role to the WG 
>(as if we were an external "expert" brought in to advise). When we 
>at some later time we comment on the outcome of the PDP (if we 
>actually get that far) when the Board puts the recommendation out 
>for public comment, they we can play a advisory role.
>
>Alan
>
>At 07/01/2013 11:25 PM, Evan Leibovitch wrote:
>
>>One thing I just noticed.
>>
>>Given the nature of the document - one of explicit advice, not 
>>belief - we should change all instances of "believes" to "advises".
>>
>>- Evan (via mobile)
>>On 2013-01-08 4:32 AM, "Alan Greenberg" 
>><<mailto:alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca > wrote:
>>Thanks on both counts. Typo fixed.  Alan
>>At 07/01/2013 04:01 PM, Eduardo Diaz wrote:
>> >I have read the document and agree with it.
>> >
>> >By the way, there is a small typo in the last sentence in question 4. It
>> >should be "the" ALAC is particularly...".
>> >
>> >-ed
>> >
>> >On Sun, Jan 6, 2013 at 6:04 PM, Carlton Samuels
>> ><<mailto:carlton.samuels at gmail.com> carlton.samuels at gmail.com>wrote:
>> >
>> > > I read the submissions in their entirety.  So far as I see, 
>> they conform to
>> > > previously public positions taken by the ALAC in context, all 
>> of which had
>> > > my support.  My positions remain, unchanged.
>> > >
>> > > I do not think these positions require a formal vote.
>> > >
>> > > -Carlton
>> > >
>> > > ==============================
>> > > Carlton A Samuels
>> > > Mobile: <tel:876-818-1799>876-818-1799
>> > > *Strategy, Planning, Governance, Assessment & Turnaround*
>> > > =============================
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Sat, Jan 5, 2013 at 6:28 PM, Alan Greenberg 
>> <<mailto:alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca
>> > > >wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > The PDP WG on special protection for IGO/INGO names has 
>> requested that
>> > > ACs
>> > > > and SOs submit comments on a number of questions related to special
>> > > > protections of IGO/INGO names.
>> > > >
>> > > > Evan and I were asked to draft a statement for the consideration and
>> > > > possible approval of the ALAC and it can be found at
>> > > > 
>> <https://community.icann.org/x/**5IFQAg>https://community.icann.org/x/**5IFQAg< 
>>
>> > > https://community.icann.org/x/5IFQAg>.
>> > > > Input was requested to be submitted by 08 January 2013, but 
>> there should
>> > > be
>> > > > no problem with getting it in a bit later.
>> > > >
>> > > > Evan is travelling at the moment, but his contributions were 
>> substantive
>> > > > and the document has his support. We both believe that it 
>> conforms well
>> > > to
>> > > > positions previously taken by the ALAC.
>> > > >
>> > > > I am not sure if Olivier wants to subject this statement to 
>> a formal ALAC
>> > > > vote. In my mind, it does not need a formal vote, but we do need to
>> > > ensure
>> > > > that it (or what it gets revised to) does conform to general ALAC
>> > > feelings.
>> > > > So please post your comments to the Wiki.
>> > > >
>> > > > A copy is attached here for your convenience.
>> > > >
>> > > >
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