<html><body><div style="color:#000; background-color:#fff; font-family:HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif;font-size:16px"><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1434977378359_6930"><span id="yui_3_16_0_1_1434977378359_6929">Seun and All,</span></div><div><br><span></span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1434977378359_6488"><span>Please my few edits and input.</span></div><div id="yui_3_16_0_1_1434977378359_6545"><span></span></div> <br><div class="qtdSeparateBR"><br><br></div><div style="display: block;" class="yahoo_quoted"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div style="font-family: HelveticaNeue, Helvetica Neue, Helvetica, Arial, Lucida Grande, sans-serif; font-size: 16px;"> <div dir="ltr"> <font face="Arial" size="2"> On Sunday, June 21, 2015 4:48 AM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji@gmail.com> wrote:<br> </font> </div> <br><br> <div class="y_msg_container"><div id="yiv2132473313"><div dir="ltr"><div><div><div>Dear All,<br><br></div>I have edited the version from Dave (which is an update on Beran's version). I accepted most of Dave's edits but left some within the CCWG section for Tijani to have further look as i think the membership comments was actually to indicate how problematic membership model can be and why we should not go that route.<br><br></div>I have also added a few statement to reflect/cover Muwendwa's suggestion/comment and i hope that will help<br><br></div><div>Attached is the redline version <br><br></div>Regards<br></div><div class="yiv2132473313gmail_extra"><br><div class="yiv2132473313gmail_quote">On Sat, Jun 20, 2015 at 1:56 PM, Dave Kissoondoyal <span dir="ltr"><<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:dave@isoc-mu.org" target="_blank" href="mailto:dave@isoc-mu.org">dave@isoc-mu.org</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="yiv2132473313gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">Dear Tijani,<br>
<br>
I have done some changes (changes are tracked in the document) and please<br>
feel free to amend where necessary.<br>
<br>
Also instead of asking a question in the document, it is better to come with<br>
a recommendation.<br>
I have modified the following to the paragraph below:<br>
<br>
• The final aim of the CCWG work is to enhance the Accountability to<br>
the community . The membership model would enhance the accountability of the<br>
<span class="yiv2132473313">board to the ICANN members, but how do we ensure that the ICANN members will<br>
be accountable to the community???? With the membership model, we do not<br>
solve it but instead move the accountability issue from the board to the<br>
members<br>
<br>
</span>• The final aim of the CCWG work is to enhance the Accountability to<br>
the community in a transparent manner. The membership model would enhance<br>
the accountability of the board to the ICANN members. With the membership<br>
model, we do not solve the accountability problem but instead shift the<br>
issue from the board to the members.<br>
• Therefore we recommend that checks and balances should be put in<br>
place at the membership level to ensure that the members are accountable to<br>
the community.<br>
<br>
Thanks and best regards<br>
<br>
Dave Kissoondoyal<br>
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To: Beran Dondeh; <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn" target="_blank" href="mailto:tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn">tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn</a><br>
Cc: Afri-Discuss; Alan Greenberg; AfrICANN List; Afrinic-discuss<br>
Subject: Re: [AFRI-Discuss] Joint meeting of African community in BUENOS<br>
AIRES"African views on the Proposal of the Governance of Internet<br>
uniqueidentifiers"<br>
<br>
Thank you very much Beran for your review. It is really helpful.<br>
<br>
I accepted almost all your language corrections except one that I found not<br>
too correct. Perhaps Seun can find with you the best text.<br>
<br>
As for your question about the word "un-interested", the meaning we intent<br>
was that it is done not for particular or private interest, but only for the<br>
public interest.<br>
<br>
Thanks again<br>
<br>
Tijani<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
<br>
On ven 19/06/15 11:43 , Beran Dondeh <<a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:berandondeh@yahoo.com" target="_blank" href="mailto:berandondeh@yahoo.com">berandondeh@yahoo.com</a>> wrote:<br>
<br>
> Dear Aziz, Tijani et al,<br>
><br>
> Please find attached an edited version of the English Document with<br>
> tracked changes. I would also like to slightly edit Tijani's suggested<br>
> additions.<br>
><br>
> • The final aim of the CCWG work is to enhance the Accountability to<br>
> the community. The membership model would enhance the accountability<br>
> of the board to the ICANN members, but how do we ensure that the ICANN<br>
> members will be accountable to the community???? With the membership<br>
> model, we do not solve it but instead move the accountability issue<br>
> from the board to the members Thank you and regards<br>
><br>
> Beran Gillen<br>
><br>
> On Jun 19, 2015, at 9:02 PM, <a rel="nofollow" ymailto="mailto:tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn" target="_blank" href="mailto:tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn">tijani.benjemaa@topnet.tn</a> wrote:<br>
><br>
> > Dear Aziz and all,<br>
> ><br>
> > May I add a paragraph to the accountability part of our statement<br>
> before the last bullet point in the following mannar:<br>
> ><br>
> > • All the accountability mechanisms should avoid leading to courts<br>
> > as<br>
> much as possible. In fact, we do not accept that ICANN affairs be<br>
> managed by courts in whatever jurisdiction. ICANN is an example of a<br>
> triving multistakeholder community and we should endeavor to protect<br>
> that as much as possible.<br>
> ><br>
> > Added paragraph:<br>
> ><br>
> > • The final aim of the CCWG work is to enhance the Accountability to<br>
> the community. The membership model would enhance the<br>
> > accountability of the board to the ICANN members, but how we can<br>
> > ensure<br>
> that the ICANN members will be accountable to the<br>
> > community???? With the membership model, we move the accountability<br>
> issue from the board to the members, but we do not solve<br>
> > it.<br>
> ><br>
> > • The community group that will act on behalf of the respective<br>
> community stakeholders to exercise the powers mentioned in the report<br>
> should be as inclusive as possible. We prefer equal footing for all<br>
> SOs and ACs, but can live with the composition proposed in the report.<br>
> ><br>
> > Finally, we reiterate our support to the CWG-Stewardship and the<br>
> CCWG-Accountability groups and appreciate the progress made so far.<br>
> However, we think that their proposals need further work to find the<br>
> right multi-stakeholder solution for the stewardship transition and<br>
> the best ways to empower the community using the right means and<br>
> avoiding ICANN the risk of being weakened or loose its independence,<br>
> its inclusiveness and its multi-stakeholder nature.<br>
> ><br>
> > Tijani<br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> ><br>
> > On mer 17/06/15 8:54 , Aziz Hilali wrote:<br>
> ><br>
> >> [English]<br>
> >> Dear colleagues,<br>
> >> AFRALO will hold the traditional joint meeting AFRALO/AfrICANN<br>
> >> during<br>
> the<br>
> >> ICANN meeting next week in Buenos Aires. The theme proposed by the<br>
> members<br>
> >> of AFRALO will be "African views on the Proposal of the Governance<br>
> >> of Internet unique identifiers".<br>
> >><br>
> >> You will find attached the draft statement in English (French<br>
> translation<br>
> >> is in progress, it will be sent on the list tomorrow) of the joint<br>
> >> AFRALO/AfrICANN meeting due to take place on Wednesday 24 June 2015.<br>
> >> Would you please provide your comments on this draft before the end<br>
> >> of Saturday, June 20,2015, to allow us to include them before<br>
> >> printing<br>
> the<br>
> >> final version and then distribute it to the participants in the<br>
> meeting for<br>
> >> discussion, modification if any and adoption.<br>
> >><br>
> >><br>
> >> [French]<br>
> >><br>
> >> Chers collègues,<br>
> >><br>
> >> AFRALO organisera la traditionnelle réunion conjointe AFRALO /<br>
> AfrICANN<br>
> >> lors de la réunion de l'ICANN qui aura lieu la semaine prochaine à<br>
> Buenos<br>
> >> Aires. Le thème proposé par les membres d’AFRALO sera "Points de<br>
> vue<br>
> >> africains sur la proposition de la gouvernance du système des<br>
> >> identificateurs uniques de l'Internet".<br>
> >><br>
> >> En fichier attaché, prière trouver le projet de déclaration (la<br>
> >> traduction française est en cours de préparation et sera transmise<br>
> sur la<br>
> >> liste demain) de la réunion conjointe AFRALO – AfrICANN qui aura<br>
> lieu à<br>
> >> Buenos Aires le Mercredi 24 Juin 2015.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Je vous prie de donner vos remarques sur ce projet au plus tard le<br>
> Samedi<br>
> >> 20 Juin 2015, pour que l’on puisse les inclure avant d’imprimer la<br>
> >> version finale et ensuite la distribuer aux participants à la<br>
> réunion<br>
> >> pour discussion, modification s’il y a lieu et adoption.<br>
> >><br>
> >> Best Regards<br>
> >> Aziz Hilali<br>
> >> AFRALO Chair _______________________________________________<br>
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