[AFRI-Discuss] Finalizing Individual Membership Recommendation
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+++ Aziz and Alan
Best Regards,
2017-07-17 18:17 GMT+02:00 Alan Greenberg <alan.greenberg at mcgill.ca>:
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> Dear Pastor Peters,
>
> You addressed your questions to Aziz, but a few of them really are in my
> domain and I will attempt to reply.
>
> The message I sent Aziz was a reminder and not the result of a recent ALAC
> action. In 2008/9, we had the first Independent Review of At-Large. This
> process was a long and complicated one that involved extensive consultation
> all all levels of the community. One of the recommendations was that all
> RALOs investigate how (note "how", not "if") to incorporate individual
> unaffiliated members into their organization. That set of recommendations
> was approved by the ICANN Board on 26 June 2009 (Resolution 2009-06-26-30).
>
> At that time, NARALO already had individual members, but it was the only
> RALO that did. The "Recommendation", once approved by the Board, was no
> longer an option (and notably, no RALO objected to it!) EURALO and
> eventually APRALO developed procedures, each in their own way, to
> accommodate users unaffiliated with ALSes. AFRALO and LACRALO have not done
> so to date.
>
> The ongoing review of At-Large has come out with an even stronger
> recommendation that individual users are essential, and that it MUST not be
> required that a person interested in joining At-Large either form or find
> an ALS. Although At-Large is generally not agreeing with the details of
> this recommendation and particularly the implication that ALSes be
> effectively abolished, all of our responses, including those of the RALOs
> which all RALO members had a opportunity to contribute to, agreed that we
> would have individual unaffiliated members in all regions. This
> "compromise" has the advantage of allowing RALOs to set the specific rules
> (within a reasonable envelope) of such individual membership.
>
> To address your number 2, the ALAC does not have direct jurisdiction over
> RALOs, but RALOS are subject to certain rules made by the ALAC (and
> developed with regional input) where the ICANN Bylaws and ALAC Rules of
> Procedure give the ALAC such rights. Each RALO selects ALAC Members and by
> doing so, the region gives those representatives the right to act on their
> behalf.
>
> Regarding your question 5 on the benefits of individual members, the ICANN
> Bylaws identifies At-Large as the home of all individual Internet users. As
> originally envisioned, there would be ALSes which would allow (and I quote
> the Bylaws) "every individual Internet user who is a citizen of a country
> within the RALO's Geographic Region to participate in at least one of the
> RALO's At-Large Structures". Clearly this is not the case now, and it is
> unrealistic to believe that this is possible. Many ALSes have particular
> orientations or interests (such as yours) and cannot be expected to
> accommodate everyone. And two sets of external reviewers have recognized
> that requiring someone to set up a new ALS just to be able to participate
> in a RALO is not reasonable.
>
> At-Large had FAR TOO FEW PEOPLE who are really active in the policy work
> for which ICANN exists. At-Large is not here to do outreach or organize and
> participate in RALOs. These are necessary activities to allow us to thrive,
> but the REAL reason we are here is to work with other parts of ICANN
> representing user interests. Anything we can do to remove barriers to
> allowing more participation is crucial to our existence.
>
> Alan
>
> At 16/07/2017 04:37 PM, Peters Omoragbon wrote:
>
> Dear Mr. Aziz
>
> Thank you for your information and once again I apologise for my
> unavoidable absence during the last call.
>
> On the issue in reference I oppose to any vote to be taken via electronic
> means save for at a General Assembly on the following grounds
> 1. Please provide the transcript or link to the transcript of the ALAC
> Meeting where the decision passed to you by the ALAC Chair was tsken.
> 2. Ralos from icann set rules are to set their own guidelines which does
> not conflict with icann rules of procedure for effective coordination of
> their (RALOS) activities. If one is to decipher your information it
> presupposes that ALAC is giving Ralos an ultimatum to take a decision on
> issue(s) that is yet to receive consensus of the GA
> 3. No decision was taken on any item at the GA once the GA resolved that
> ALL items be referred back to the ROP WORKGROUP and represented to the GA.
> So even though you are the chair of AFRALO you cannot over rulr the highest
> decision making body of AFRALO -the GA.
> 4. ROP WORKGROUP meeting is yet to be called and that is what should be
> done asap.
> 5. Of what emergent benefit is individual membership that it should
> override other pressing issues confronting AFRALO to warrant this present
> pressure?
> Your call for a vote is procedurally defective and undemocratic. It is an
> attempt to rush Afralo to make decision through the back door for the
> benefit of vested interests and individuals.
>
> We oppose this motion.
>
> Thank you.
> Pastor Peters Omoragbon
>
>
>
> On 16 Jul 2017 21:07, "Aziz Hilali via AFRI-Discuss" <
> afri-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org> wrote:
> <English>
>
> Dear Members,
>
> As per the information shared during our monthly call, It is been brought
> to our attention by the ALAC Chair that as per the first ALAC review
> requirements and the current At-Large Review (on-going) recommendations,
> the RALOs are tasked with ensuring individual membership. Therefore we need
> to get this particular item completed with.
>
> As you may recall during the General Assembly in Johannesburg, this
> particular recommendation of the working group gained traction but we could
> not formerly record it due to other recommendations and time constraints.
> In view of this, I suggest we separate this recommendation on individual
> membership which already gained traction and pass that now to comply with
> At-Large reviews requirements.
>
> For reference, below is the link to the latest version of the "Individual
> Membership » recommendation distributed in Johannesburg:
> https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+
> Membership+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
>
> Item 7 of the recommendation currently reads as follows:
> The individual membership issue will be reviewed in 2019 to reconsider
> their rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of the 2018
> experience.
> I propose to modify it in this way:
> "The individual membership issue will be reviewed by or before 2 years
> after implementation to reconsider the rights and duties of unaffiliated
> members in light of experience gained during initial trial"
>
> I hereby, as AFRALO Chair, call for any objection to approving the
> conditions under which individual membership will be implemented as
> presented in the above recommendation.
>
> Kindly provide your response within 72hrs
>
> Best regards
> Aziz HILALI
> AFRALO Chair
> ---------------------------
>
> <French>
>
> Chers membres,
>
> D'après les informations partagées lors de notre téléconférence
> mensuelle, le président de l’ALAC a attiré notre attention sur le fait
> que les RALO sont appelés à accepter les adhésions individuelles, et ce
> suivant les exigences de la première revue de l’ALAC et les
> recommandations de la revue actuelle d’At-Large, Par conséquent, nous
> devons finir ce point particulier sans plus tarder.
>
> Comme vous le savez, lors de l’assemblée Générale à Johannesburg,
> cette recommandation du groupe de travail a été approuvée, mais nous
> n’avions pas pu l’officialiser à cause du fait que toutes les
> recommandations étaient dans un même document et que le temps ne nous a
> pas permis de les finir toutes. Pour cela, je suggère que nous séparons
> cette recommandation sur l’adhésion individuelle pour se conformer avec
> les exigence des revues d’At-Large.
>
> Pour référence, voici le lien de la toute dernière version distribuée
> à Johannesburg de la recommandation relative à l’adhésion individuelle:
> https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+
> Membership+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
>
> Le point 7 de la recommandation dit:
> La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera
> réexaminée en 2019 au vue de l’expérience de 2018.
> Je propose de le modifier pour devenir:
> «La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera
> réexaminée 2 ans après la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue de
> l’expérience de la période d’essai».
>
> En ma qualité de Président d’AFRALO, je demande s’il y a des
> objections pour l’approbation des conditions sous lesquelles
> l’adhésion individuelle sera appliquée comme présenté dans la
> recommandation mentionnée.
>
> Prière répondre dans les 72 heures.
>
> Cordialement
> Aziz Hilali
> AFRALO Chair
>
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