[AFRI-Discuss] Finalizing Individual Membership Recommendation

Mon Jul 17 11:20:23 UTC 2017

Bonjour à tous.
Pas d'objection venant de notre ALS.
Dans tous les cas, l'ICANN a prévu un processus de révision des textes.
Essayons d'abord la formule proposée et on avisera en 2019 ou avant, si
nécessaire.
Mes 2 xof.
Cordiales et fraternelles salutations
Olevie

Le 17 juil. 2017 11:06, "Patricia Akello" <ekisesta at gmail.com> a écrit :

> Thank you Sarah for the well articulated email.
> The links provide a good starting point for us who missed the calls and
> offer clear views from other RALOS.
>
> We hope this email clears the doubts
>
> Regards
> Esther Patricia
>
> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 1:46 PM, Sarah Kiden <skiden at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Dear Pastor Peters, all,
>>
>> I hope this email finds you well. Seun has already responded to most of
>> the questions but let me just add a little bit more information as you
>> requested.
>>
>> During our last AFRALO monthly call last week (attended by 35 people),
>> the issue was brought up again, as Aziz informed us that Alan Greenberg
>> (ALAC Chair) had written to him and referred to the At-Large Review and the
>> need for all RALOs to allow individual unaffiliated members. The At-Large
>> community was against some of the recommendations made by the review, among
>> which include the Empowered Membership Model.
>>
>> As you can see, this is not just in AFRALO but the other RALOs as well.
>> Some of the RALOs already accept unaffiliated members. The recording of the
>> last call has been posted in English and French here
>> https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/2017-07-12+AFRALO
>> +Monthly+Teleconference. Also, during the call, the recommendation could
>> have easily passed but some members felt that those not in attendance that
>> day needed to be given an opportunity to have an input. From the responses,
>> I don't think a vote would change results that much.
>>
>> Please also see the RALO response on the At-Large review
>> https://atlarge.icann.org/pt/advice_statements/9975 and note that all
>> RALOs support the idea. A ratification vote was also conducted and notice
>> that there is very little [or even no] objection. In addition to this,
>> AFRALO developed a statement https://www.icann.org/en/syste
>> m/files/correspondence/hilali-to-icann-15mar17-en.pdf on the same and
>> input was sought from the mailing list.
>>
>> Regarding why individual members will not have voting rights, since this
>> is something new, it was decided that we start out like this but then
>> review the idea after 2 years. At that point, members may decide if they
>> want to give individual members voting powers as well.
>>
>> I hope this information will suffice. Otherwise, I am happy to answer any
>> other questions.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>
>> Sarah
>>
>> On Mon, Jul 17, 2017 at 12:17 PM, peters omoragbon <
>> petersomoragbon at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Thank you Seun.
>>> Sometimes people placed in position of authority as representatives
>>> needs to always take the pain to pass their message across to those they
>>> represent and not act as if we are under a dictatorship.
>>> Having said that it is left for the House to decide. I have done my bits
>>> and spoken out and it is only time that will prove anyone tight or wrong.
>>> Notwithstanding we need to be clear on what the individual members can
>>> do without belonging to a formal group. I hope we do not end up destroying
>>> the group representation of Afralo for individual membership in future in
>>> which case the essence of the end user having a voice through various
>>> organizations will be subsumed by individuals who will pursue personal
>>> agenda.
>>> Time will tell. I'm watching
>>> Pastor Peters Omoragbon
>>>
>>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>>> <https://overview.mail.yahoo.com/mobile/?.src=Android>
>>>
>>> On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 at 3:22, Seun Ojedeji
>>> <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> Sent from my mobile
>>> Kindly excuse brevity and typos
>>>
>>> On Jul 17, 2017 12:20 AM, "Peters Omoragbon" <petersomoragbon at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> Seun, I am surprised you could make a comment as saying why I am
>>> reacting this way.
>>>
>>>
>>> SO: Am sorry you feel this way but I am actually truly surprised, not
>>> for the fact that I don't expect opposition but for the level you took it
>>> to as being a game plan/coup. However from the text you sent privately, it
>>> seem to me that you do not necessarily oppose this recommendation but the
>>> fact that a consensus call was made about it(please see 2 below in this).
>>>
>>> Why did you not address the other issues I raised in my email. (I am
>>> responding here because I sent you the other private reply not knowing your
>>> mail was to the group).
>>>
>>>
>>> SO: Am not sure of other issues left out. However 3 things are clear:
>>>
>>> 1. The individual membership wasn't a contentious issue during the GA
>>> hence it's important to get it done with. Waiting for another GA just to
>>> get that done isn't necessary and will not meet up with things (see 2 below)
>>>
>>> 2. One of the reasons it's important to get it done with is the due to
>>> the AtLarge review which is currently at the stage of preparing our
>>> response to the Board on the recommendations. It will be good to report to
>>> the Board that AFRALO has also implemented the individual membership just
>>> like other RALOs will be reported as well.
>>>
>>> 3. I expect the ROP WG will resume their work to consider pending draft
>>> recommendations (including your proposal) and determine a way forward with
>>> them. It's up to the Chair of the group to call for next meeting
>>>
>>> I have raised issues as constituent part of AFRALO representing my ALS
>>> and I want both GS and Chairman to respond to me.
>>>
>>>
>>> SO: You are right, I have also only responded as an ALS who has some
>>> information to share. Certainly not as GS nor Chairman.
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>> Pastor Peters
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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>>> On 17 July 2017 at 00:04, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Seun
>>> If the membership will not offer voting rights, why and why exactly is
>>> this line of thought being proposed, it may steer somewhat controversy in
>>> the near  I hope we are not setting a time bomb by this proposal.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Remmy
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>>> On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 11:39 PM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello Pastor Peters,
>>>
>>> Just to clarify, the rights of individual membership does not extend to
>>> voting and serving in AFRALO leadership position. Only ALSes have rights
>>> for that.
>>> The URL earlier shared by the Chair contains the rights of individual. I
>>> am pasting it below for easy access:
>>>
>>> https://community.icann.org/m/ mobile.action#page/49360273
>>> <https://community.icann.org/m/mobile.action#page/49360273>
>>>
>>> I also like to state categorically that this isn't a coup in any way.
>>> Anyone who has been following the AtLarge review developments knows that
>>> individual membership was a requirement that ALL the 5 RALOs must
>>> implement. Most importantly as well is that we as ALSes have nothing to
>>> loose by including such membership especially considering how the rights
>>> has been so minimally defined. (I actually hope that we look at adding more
>>> rights to them in future when next we review it in 2019).
>>>
>>> As to the votes, while I have no problem with voting, we work by
>>> consensus as much as possible hence considering this is not a highly
>>> contentious issue(should not be and am surprised with how Pastor Peters
>>> have taken it), I think the Chair made a good decision by doing a consensus
>>> check instead.
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Sent from my mobile
>>> Kindly excuse brevity and typos
>>>
>>> On Jul 16, 2017 11:14 PM, "Peters Omoragbon" <petersomoragbon at gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Dear All,
>>>
>>> I believe it is right for us to be very conscientious in all our
>>> dealings for posterity.
>>>
>>> I suspect a form of collusion here and attempts by some vested powers to
>>> push the individual membership down the throats of AFRALO even when their
>>> values to AFRALO has yet to be fully explained and accepted by the GA.
>>>
>>> At the Conference call, did the house direct Mr. Aziz to call for a vote
>>> on this particular subject? If no, why would Mr. Aziz use his office to
>>> want to stampede us into taking a decision in a hurry?
>>>
>>> I have raised a fundamental issue that borders on legitimacy by asking
>>> the Chairman to inform the house where and when the ALAC took the decision
>>> giving us the ultimatum? Since when has ALAC been directing RALOS to adopt
>>> rules of procedures even when it is detrimental to the collective interest
>>> of the entire group?
>>>
>>> This is the game plan: The issue of tenure which has generated some
>>> level of interest amongst members may at the long run disadvantaged some
>>> members that have always occupied one position or the other in AFRALO and
>>> others who want to also copy and act in like manner. And their ALS may also
>>> not be ready to continue to support their representation at AFRALO as they
>>> may want to elect new officers.
>>> As a result, these same set of individuals wants to rush the Individual
>>> membership as a ploy to ensure their continued relevance and calling the
>>> shots in AFRALO through this medium. This is controlling AFRALO by proxy.
>>>
>>> I cherish experience in anything we do but I am opposed to the
>>> sit-tight-syndrome that has become the bane of African leaders in every
>>> ramification. Coupled with this is the Praise singers syndrome so as to
>>> curry favour of the Cabal within AFRALO. This cannot be allowed.
>>>
>>> We have to first agree to a vote before mandating the Chairman to call
>>> for same. It is not the Chairman nor any elected official that dictate to
>>> the House, it is the house that should ask the chairman.
>>>
>>> This call is premature, irrespective of the number of people that are
>>> rushing to support the proposal-which to me is premeditated.
>>>
>>> The big question is: WHEN WAS IT DECIDED THAT THE CHAIRMAN SHOULD CALL A
>>> VOTE ON INDIVIDUAL MEMBERSHIP? I want both the General Secretary and
>>> Chairman to as a matter responsibility answer my question. They are elected
>>> to respond to our queries. I demand answer with the same speed that you are
>>> all casting your votes now. So Mr. Aziz and Ms Kiden do respond to my
>>> question
>>>
>>> Posterity is always a good judge of all that we do now and thereafter.
>>>
>>> Thank you.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> *Pastor Peters Osawaru OMORAGBON*
>>>
>>> *-Financial Secretary, Central Association of Nigerians in the United
>>> Kingdom-CANUK*
>>>
>>> *-Executive President/CEO-Nurses Across the Borders-An NGO in Special
>>> Consultative Status with the Economic and Social Council of the United
>>> Nations-ECOSOC*
>>>
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>>> Climate Change-UNFCCC*
>>>
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>>> Association-NNCA-UK*
>>>
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>>> the United Nations-CONGO*
>>>
>>> *-Member Steering Committee Regional Committee for Africa-CONGO*
>>>
>>> *-General Secretary, Civil Society Network of NGOs on Climate Change*
>>>
>>> *-Fellow Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers-ICANN*
>>> *-Fellow Open Society Institute-Budapest*
>>>
>>> On 16 July 2017 at 22:19, Fatimata Seye Sylla <fsylla at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I hereby support the individual membership as stipulated in the
>>> mentioned recommendation.
>>>
>>> Warm greetings,
>>> Fatimata
>>>
>>> Le 16 juillet 2017 à 20:04, Aziz Hilali <hilaliaziz at yahoo.fr> a écrit :
>>>
>>> <English>
>>>
>>> Dear Members,
>>>
>>> As per the information shared during our monthly call, It is been
>>> brought to our attention by the ALAC Chair that as per the first ALAC
>>> review requirements and the current At-Large Review (on-going)
>>> recommendations, the RALOs are tasked with ensuring individual membership.
>>> Therefore we need to get this particular item completed with.
>>>
>>> As you may recall during the General Assembly in Johannesburg, this
>>> particular recommendation of the working group gained traction but we could
>>> not formerly record it due to other recommendations and time constraints.
>>> In view of this, I suggest we separate this recommendation on individual
>>> membership which already gained traction and pass that now to comply with
>>> At-Large reviews requirements.
>>>
>>> For reference, below is the link to the latest version of the
>>> "Individual Membership » recommendation distributed in Johannesburg:
>>> https://community.icann.org/di splay/AFRALO/Individual+Member
>>> ship+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
>>> <https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Membership+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review>
>>>
>>> Item 7 of the recommendation currently reads as follows:
>>> The individual membership issue will be reviewed in 2019 to reconsider
>>> their rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of the 2018
>>> experience.
>>> I propose to modify it in this way:
>>> "The individual membership issue will be reviewed by or before 2 years
>>> after implementation to reconsider the rights and duties of unaffiliated
>>> members in light of experience gained during initial trial"
>>>
>>> I hereby, as AFRALO Chair, call for any objection to approving the
>>> conditions under which individual membership will be implemented as
>>> presented in the above recommendation.
>>>
>>> Kindly provide your response within 72hrs
>>>
>>> Best regards
>>> Aziz HILALI
>>> AFRALO Chair
>>> ---------------------------
>>>
>>> <French>
>>>
>>> Chers membres,
>>>
>>> D'après les informations partagées lors de notre téléconférence
>>> mensuelle, le président de l’ALAC a attiré notre attention sur le fait que
>>> les RALO sont appelés à accepter les adhésions individuelles, et ce suivant
>>> les exigences de la première revue de l’ALAC et les recommandations de la
>>> revue actuelle d’At-Large, Par conséquent, nous devons finir ce point
>>> particulier sans plus tarder.
>>>
>>> Comme vous le savez, lors de l’assemblée Générale à Johannesburg, cette
>>> recommandation du groupe de travail a été approuvée, mais nous n’avions pas
>>> pu l’officialiser à cause du fait que toutes les recommandations étaient
>>> dans un même document et que le temps ne nous a pas permis de les finir
>>> toutes. Pour cela, je suggère que nous séparons cette recommandation sur
>>> l’adhésion individuelle pour se conformer avec les exigence des revues
>>> d’At-Large.
>>>
>>> Pour référence, voici le lien de la toute dernière version distribuée à
>>> Johannesburg de la recommandation relative à l’adhésion individuelle:
>>> https://community.icann.org/di splay/AFRALO/Individual+Member
>>> ship+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
>>> <https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Membership+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review>
>>>
>>> Le point 7 de la recommandation dit:
>>> La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera
>>> réexaminée en 2019 au vue de l’expérience de 2018.
>>> Je propose de le modifier pour devenir:
>>> «La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera
>>> réexaminée 2 ans après la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue de l’expérience
>>> de la période d’essai».
>>>
>>> En ma qualité de Président d’AFRALO, je demande s’il y a des objections
>>> pour l’approbation des conditions sous lesquelles l’adhésion individuelle
>>> sera appliquée comme présenté dans la recommandation mentionnée.
>>>
>>> Prière répondre dans les 72 heures.
>>>
>>> Cordialement
>>> Aziz Hilali
>>> AFRALO Chair
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Fatimata Seye Sylla
>>> ICT4D, Education & Genre
>>>
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