[AFRI-Discuss] Finalizing Individual Membership Recommendation

Mon Jul 17 10:33:34 UTC 2017

Bonjour,
Pas d'objection pour moi.
Merci

2017-07-17 11:17 GMT+02:00 peters omoragbon <petersomoragbon at gmail.com>:

> Thank you Seun.
> Sometimes people placed in position of authority as representatives needs
> to always take the pain to pass their message across to those they
> represent and not act as if we are under a dictatorship.
> Having said that it is left for the House to decide. I have done my bits
> and spoken out and it is only time that will prove anyone tight or wrong.
> Notwithstanding we need to be clear on what the individual members can do
> without belonging to a formal group. I hope we do not end up destroying the
> group representation of Afralo for individual membership in future in which
> case the essence of the end user having a voice through various
> organizations will be subsumed by individuals who will pursue personal
> agenda.
> Time will tell. I'm watching
> Pastor Peters Omoragbon
>
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> On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 at 3:22, Seun Ojedeji
> <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com> wrote:
> Sent from my mobile
> Kindly excuse brevity and typos
>
> On Jul 17, 2017 12:20 AM, "Peters Omoragbon" <petersomoragbon at gmail.com>
> wrote:
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> Seun, I am surprised you could make a comment as saying why I am reacting
> this way.
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> SO: Am sorry you feel this way but I am actually truly surprised, not for
> the fact that I don't expect opposition but for the level you took it to as
> being a game plan/coup. However from the text you sent privately, it seem
> to me that you do not necessarily oppose this recommendation but the fact
> that a consensus call was made about it(please see 2 below in this).
>
> Why did you not address the other issues I raised in my email. (I am
> responding here because I sent you the other private reply not knowing your
> mail was to the group).
>
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> SO: Am not sure of other issues left out. However 3 things are clear:
>
> 1. The individual membership wasn't a contentious issue during the GA
> hence it's important to get it done with. Waiting for another GA just to
> get that done isn't necessary and will not meet up with things (see 2 below)
>
> 2. One of the reasons it's important to get it done with is the due to the
> AtLarge review which is currently at the stage of preparing our response to
> the Board on the recommendations. It will be good to report to the Board
> that AFRALO has also implemented the individual membership just like other
> RALOs will be reported as well.
>
> 3. I expect the ROP WG will resume their work to consider pending draft
> recommendations (including your proposal) and determine a way forward with
> them. It's up to the Chair of the group to call for next meeting
>
> I have raised issues as constituent part of AFRALO representing my ALS and
> I want both GS and Chairman to respond to me.
>
>
> SO: You are right, I have also only responded as an ALS who has some
> information to share. Certainly not as GS nor Chairman.
>
> Thanks
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>
> Thank you.
> Pastor Peters
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> *Pastor Peters Osawaru OMORAGBON*
>
> *-Financial Secretary, Central Association of Nigerians in the United
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>
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> *-General Secretary, Civil Society Network of NGOs on Climate Change*
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> On 17 July 2017 at 00:04, Remmy Nweke <remmyn at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Seun
> If the membership will not offer voting rights, why and why exactly is
> this line of thought being proposed, it may steer somewhat controversy in
> the near  I hope we are not setting a time bomb by this proposal.
>
> Regards
> Remmy
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> On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 11:39 PM, Seun Ojedeji <seun.ojedeji at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Hello Pastor Peters,
>
> Just to clarify, the rights of individual membership does not extend to
> voting and serving in AFRALO leadership position. Only ALSes have rights
> for that.
> The URL earlier shared by the Chair contains the rights of individual. I
> am pasting it below for easy access:
>
> https://community.icann.org/m/ mobile.action#page/49360273
> <https://community.icann.org/m/mobile.action#page/49360273>
>
> I also like to state categorically that this isn't a coup in any way.
> Anyone who has been following the AtLarge review developments knows that
> individual membership was a requirement that ALL the 5 RALOs must
> implement. Most importantly as well is that we as ALSes have nothing to
> loose by including such membership especially considering how the rights
> has been so minimally defined. (I actually hope that we look at adding more
> rights to them in future when next we review it in 2019).
>
> As to the votes, while I have no problem with voting, we work by consensus
> as much as possible hence considering this is not a highly contentious
> issue(should not be and am surprised with how Pastor Peters have taken it),
> I think the Chair made a good decision by doing a consensus check instead.
>
> Regards
> Sent from my mobile
> Kindly excuse brevity and typos
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> On Jul 16, 2017 11:14 PM, "Peters Omoragbon" <petersomoragbon at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Dear All,
>
> I believe it is right for us to be very conscientious in all our dealings
> for posterity.
>
> I suspect a form of collusion here and attempts by some vested powers to
> push the individual membership down the throats of AFRALO even when their
> values to AFRALO has yet to be fully explained and accepted by the GA.
>
> At the Conference call, did the house direct Mr. Aziz to call for a vote
> on this particular subject? If no, why would Mr. Aziz use his office to
> want to stampede us into taking a decision in a hurry?
>
> I have raised a fundamental issue that borders on legitimacy by asking the
> Chairman to inform the house where and when the ALAC took the decision
> giving us the ultimatum? Since when has ALAC been directing RALOS to adopt
> rules of procedures even when it is detrimental to the collective interest
> of the entire group?
>
> This is the game plan: The issue of tenure which has generated some level
> of interest amongst members may at the long run disadvantaged some members
> that have always occupied one position or the other in AFRALO and others
> who want to also copy and act in like manner. And their ALS may also not be
> ready to continue to support their representation at AFRALO as they may
> want to elect new officers.
> As a result, these same set of individuals wants to rush the Individual
> membership as a ploy to ensure their continued relevance and calling the
> shots in AFRALO through this medium. This is controlling AFRALO by proxy.
>
> I cherish experience in anything we do but I am opposed to the
> sit-tight-syndrome that has become the bane of African leaders in every
> ramification. Coupled with this is the Praise singers syndrome so as to
> curry favour of the Cabal within AFRALO. This cannot be allowed.
>
> We have to first agree to a vote before mandating the Chairman to call for
> same. It is not the Chairman nor any elected official that dictate to the
> House, it is the house that should ask the chairman.
>
> This call is premature, irrespective of the number of people that are
> rushing to support the proposal-which to me is premeditated.
>
> The big question is: WHEN WAS IT DECIDED THAT THE CHAIRMAN SHOULD CALL A
> VOTE ON INDIVIDUAL MEMBERSHIP? I want both the General Secretary and
> Chairman to as a matter responsibility answer my question. They are elected
> to respond to our queries. I demand answer with the same speed that you are
> all casting your votes now. So Mr. Aziz and Ms Kiden do respond to my
> question
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> Posterity is always a good judge of all that we do now and thereafter.
>
> Thank you.
>
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> *Pastor Peters Osawaru OMORAGBON*
>
> *-Financial Secretary, Central Association of Nigerians in the United
> Kingdom-CANUK*
>
> *-Executive President/CEO-Nurses Across the Borders-An NGO in Special
> Consultative Status with the Economic and Social Council of the United
> Nations-ECOSOC*
>
> *-Designated Contact Person-United Nations Framework Convention on Climate
> Change-UNFCCC*
>
> *-International Liaison Officer-Nigerian Nurses Charitable
> Association-NNCA-UK*
>
> *-Board Member-Conference of NGOS in Special Consultative Status with the
> United Nations-CONGO*
>
> *-Member Steering Committee Regional Committee for Africa-CONGO*
>
> *-General Secretary, Civil Society Network of NGOs on Climate Change*
>
> *-Fellow Internet Corporation for Assigned Names and Numbers-ICANN*
> *-Fellow Open Society Institute-Budapest*
>
> On 16 July 2017 at 22:19, Fatimata Seye Sylla <fsylla at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I hereby support the individual membership as stipulated in the mentioned
> recommendation.
>
> Warm greetings,
> Fatimata
>
> Le 16 juillet 2017 à 20:04, Aziz Hilali <hilaliaziz at yahoo.fr> a écrit :
>
> <English>
>
> Dear Members,
>
> As per the information shared during our monthly call, It is been brought
> to our attention by the ALAC Chair that as per the first ALAC review
> requirements and the current At-Large Review (on-going) recommendations,
> the RALOs are tasked with ensuring individual membership. Therefore we need
> to get this particular item completed with.
>
> As you may recall during the General Assembly in Johannesburg, this
> particular recommendation of the working group gained traction but we could
> not formerly record it due to other recommendations and time constraints.
> In view of this, I suggest we separate this recommendation on individual
> membership which already gained traction and pass that now to comply with
> At-Large reviews requirements.
>
> For reference, below is the link to the latest version of the "Individual
> Membership » recommendation distributed in Johannesburg:
> https://community.icann.org/di splay/AFRALO/Individual+Member
> ship+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
> <https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Membership+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review>
>
> Item 7 of the recommendation currently reads as follows:
> The individual membership issue will be reviewed in 2019 to reconsider
> their rights and duties of unaffiliated members in light of the 2018
> experience.
> I propose to modify it in this way:
> "The individual membership issue will be reviewed by or before 2 years
> after implementation to reconsider the rights and duties of unaffiliated
> members in light of experience gained during initial trial"
>
> I hereby, as AFRALO Chair, call for any objection to approving the
> conditions under which individual membership will be implemented as
> presented in the above recommendation.
>
> Kindly provide your response within 72hrs
>
> Best regards
> Aziz HILALI
> AFRALO Chair
> ---------------------------
>
> <French>
>
> Chers membres,
>
> D'après les informations partagées lors de notre téléconférence mensuelle,
> le président de l’ALAC a attiré notre attention sur le fait que les RALO
> sont appelés à accepter les adhésions individuelles, et ce suivant les
> exigences de la première revue de l’ALAC et les recommandations de la revue
> actuelle d’At-Large, Par conséquent, nous devons finir ce point particulier
> sans plus tarder.
>
> Comme vous le savez, lors de l’assemblée Générale à Johannesburg, cette
> recommandation du groupe de travail a été approuvée, mais nous n’avions pas
> pu l’officialiser à cause du fait que toutes les recommandations étaient
> dans un même document et que le temps ne nous a pas permis de les finir
> toutes. Pour cela, je suggère que nous séparons cette recommandation sur
> l’adhésion individuelle pour se conformer avec les exigence des revues
> d’At-Large.
>
> Pour référence, voici le lien de la toute dernière version distribuée à
> Johannesburg de la recommandation relative à l’adhésion individuelle:
> https://community.icann.org/di splay/AFRALO/Individual+Member
> ship+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review
> <https://community.icann.org/display/AFRALO/Individual+Membership+-+AFRALO+ROP+Review>
>
> Le point 7 de la recommandation dit:
> La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée
> en 2019 au vue de l’expérience de 2018.
> Je propose de le modifier pour devenir:
> «La question des droits et devoirs des membres individuels sera réexaminée
> 2 ans après la mise en oeuvre (ou avant) au vue de l’expérience de la
> période d’essai».
>
> En ma qualité de Président d’AFRALO, je demande s’il y a des objections
> pour l’approbation des conditions sous lesquelles l’adhésion individuelle
> sera appliquée comme présenté dans la recommandation mentionnée.
>
> Prière répondre dans les 72 heures.
>
> Cordialement
> Aziz Hilali
> AFRALO Chair
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