[AFRI-Discuss] AFRI-Discuss Digest, Vol 33, Issue 9

Thu Jul 16 06:07:15 CDT 2009

Hello Mohamed, hello Alan

The criteria given by Alan can be taken into account but not in his totality
like Mohamed says . It is necessary to take account of the problems which we
have as regards connectivity, of access... It is also necessary to take
account of the linguistic factor for the francophile ones. Another factor
relates to sharing information at the local and national level. ALs must
under discussion share the topics on the mailing lists members at the local
and national level. The feedback of the members is very slow or then at all.
I think that it is necessary initially proceeded by recalls.

Bonjour  Mohamed, bonjour Alan

Les  critères énoncés par Alan peuvent être pris en compte mais pas dans sa
totalité comme le dit Mohamed. Il faut tenir compte des difficultés que nous
connaissons en matière de connectivité, d’accès et  de temps. Il faut aussi
tenir compte du facteur linguistique pour les francophiles.

Un autre facteur concerne le partage de l’information au niveau local et
national. Un Als se doit de partager les thèmes en discussion sur le mailing
liste des membres au niveau local et national. Le feedback des membres est
très lent ou alors pas du tout.

Je pense qu’il faut d’abord procédé par des rappels.

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>   1. Re: AfRALO Participation Document (Alan Levin)
>   2. Re: AfRALO Participation Document (McTim)
>   3. Re: AfRALO Participation Document (Mohamed EL Bashir)
>   4. Re: AfRALO Participation Document (Mohamed EL Bashir)
>   5. Re: Re :  AfRALO Participation Document (Mohamed EL Bashir)
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> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 19:39:33 +0200
> From: Alan Levin <alan at futureperfect.co.za>
> Subject: Re: [AFRI-Discuss] AfRALO Participation Document
> To: admin at isoc.sd
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> Dear Mohammed and others,
>
> On 06 Jul 2009, at 8:28 PM, Mohamed EL Bashir wrote:
> > As i promised on last AfRALO Teleconferences, please find attached
> > my proposed document on AfRALO active participation document,The
> > main objective this document is to list the available AfRALO
> > participation channels and tools ( e.g AfRALO teleconferences,
> > AfRALO mailing list, ..ect ), and set a minimum participation
> > criteria for the participation of AfRALO members in order to
> > encourage an active participation in ICANN policy development
> > processes.
>
> This is very kind of you and I agree with others comments that it is a
> great effort. Thank you!
>
> The following are my personal comments and do not necessarily reflect
> the views of ISOC-ZA.
>
> > Minimum Participation: ALS are encouraged to participate in AfRALO
> > month teleconference, and maintain minimum of 50% of AfRALO yearly
> > Teleconference ?12 teleconference? ( 6 teleconference a year ). Any
> > ALS will be participate in less than 50% of the teleconferences will
> > be considered un-active member.
>
> I have participated in one teleconference and attempted to participate
> in two others. I am sorry that I found it very frustrating, it is
> challenging to deal with the poor telecommunications infrastructure in
> Africa. I found that combined with the challenge of real time
> translation it is not workable for me. At this stage I cannot find
> another volunteer who will do this. I suggest that another format must
> be used if you want to drive teleconference participation.
>
> > Minimum Participation: it?s not hard measure mailing list postings
> > but members are required to participate and post a in a minimum 1
> > discussed topic in a given month.
>
> I have been through the mailing list and I'm not certain that there
> are sufficient topics relevant to African development to insist on
> this. In reality there are possibly only a couple of issues that ICANN
> touches on that really effect African users. I am not certain if this
> is one I will support although I am possibly missing the point.
>
> > Minimum Participation: Online participation in wikis can differ from
> > a member to another member, but AfRALO members should minimally
> > contribute to one Wiki topic at a given month.
>
> Similar to mailing list.
>
> > Minimum Participation: African ALS are encouraged to participate in
> > AfRALO GM .
>
> This is a generic requirement and probably the one that I most agree
> with although I suggest some minor changes.
>
> - African ALS are required to vote in every AFRalo decision ALSs are
> consulted on and require a vote (including appointment of new ALAC
> members, policy decisions, polls, etc.) Should any ALS not vote on any
> three consecutive voting opportunities they are removed as an ALS
> (there will need to be various warnings should there be a vote and
> this will need to be added to the bylaws if it is to hold any weight).
>
> If there is any further participation requirement I would add:
> - African ALS are required to inform all their members of AfRALO
> activities and opportunities to participate, as well as any ICANN
> activities that may directly effect them.
> - African ALS are required to initiate and participate in any
> discussion that directly relates to African Internet Users.
>
> Please feel free to flame me :)
>
> warm regards to you all,
>
> Alan
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 15 Jul 2009 20:55:10 -0200
> From: McTim <mctim at bushnet.net>
> Subject: Re: [AFRI-Discuss] AfRALO Participation Document
> To: Alan Levin <alan at futureperfect.co.za>
> Cc: afri-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org
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> hi Alan,
>
> I agree with your points and think it not useful that African RALOs
> are held to astandard of participation that no one else in the
> internet policy making is subject to (that I am aware of anyway).
>
> apologies for the top posting.
>
> regards,
>
> McTim
>
> On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 3:39 PM, Alan Levin<alan at futureperfect.co.za>
> wrote:
> > Dear Mohammed and others,
> >
> > On 06 Jul 2009, at 8:28 PM, Mohamed EL Bashir wrote:
> >>
> >> As i promised on last AfRALO Teleconferences, please find attached my
> >> proposed document on AfRALO active participation document,The main
> objective
> >> this document is to list the available AfRALO participation channels and
> >> tools ( e.g AfRALO teleconferences, AfRALO mailing list, ..ect ), and
> set a
> >> minimum participation criteria for the participation of AfRALO members
> in
> >> order to encourage an active participation in ICANN policy development
> >> processes.
> >
> > This is very kind of you and I agree with others comments that it is a
> great
> > effort. Thank you!
> >
> > The following are my personal comments and do not necessarily reflect the
> > views of ISOC-ZA.
> >
> >> Minimum Participation: ALS are encouraged to participate in AfRALO month
> >> teleconference, and maintain minimum of 50% of AfRALO yearly
> Teleconference
> >> ?12 teleconference? ( 6 teleconference a year ). Any ALS will be
> participate
> >> in less than 50% of the teleconferences will be considered un-active
> member.
> >
> > I have participated in one teleconference and attempted to participate in
> > two others. I am sorry that I found it very frustrating, it is
> challenging
> > to deal with the poor telecommunications infrastructure in Africa. I
> found
> > that combined with the challenge of real time translation it is not
> workable
> > for me. At this stage I cannot find another volunteer who will do this. I
> > suggest that another format must be used if you want to drive
> teleconference
> > participation.
> >
> >> Minimum Participation: it?s not hard measure mailing list postings but
> >> members are required to participate and post a in a minimum 1 discussed
> >> topic in a given month.
> >
> > I have been through the mailing list and I'm not certain that there are
> > sufficient topics relevant to African development to insist on this. In
> > reality there are possibly only a couple of issues that ICANN touches on
> > that really effect African users. I am not certain if this is one I will
> > support although I am possibly missing the point.
> >
> >> Minimum Participation: Online participation in wikis can differ from a
> >> member to another member, but AfRALO members should minimally contribute
> to
> >> one Wiki topic at a given month.
> >
> > Similar to mailing list.
> >
> >> Minimum Participation: African ALS are encouraged to participate in
> AfRALO
> >> GM .
> >
> > This is a generic requirement and probably the one that I most agree with
> > although I suggest some minor changes.
> >
> > - African ALS are required to vote in every AFRalo decision ALSs are
> > consulted on and require a vote (including appointment of new ALAC
> members,
> > policy decisions, polls, etc.) Should any ALS not vote on any three
> > consecutive voting opportunities they are removed as an ALS (there will
> need
> > to be various warnings should there be a vote and this will need to be
> added
> > to the bylaws if it is to hold any weight).
> >
> > If there is any further participation requirement I would add:
> > - African ALS are required to inform all their members of AfRALO
> activities
> > and opportunities to participate, as well as any ICANN activities that
> may
> > directly effect them.
> > - African ALS are required to initiate and participate in any discussion
> > that directly relates to African Internet Users.
> >
> > Please feel free to flame me :)
> >
> > warm regards to you all,
> >
> > Alan
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 3
> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 08:25:42 +0300
> From: Mohamed EL Bashir <admin at isoc.sd>
> Subject: Re: [AFRI-Discuss] AfRALO Participation Document
> To: Alan Levin <alan at futureperfect.co.za>
> Cc: afri-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> Message-ID: <4A5EB9D6.7050009 at isoc.sd>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
> Alan,
>
> I do agree with some of your point and disagree with others, find bellow
> my comments :
>
> * The main intention is to first provide info on the participation tools
> for new African ALS, second is to encourage participation and have a
> benchmarking .
>
> * it seems the lack of activity is the reason for losing your interest
> in participation " as you stated", how can we encourage this
> participation so active and knowledgeable professional like you can
> contribute " your suggestions will be useful" .
>
> * I do agree with you that most of the ICANN policy topics are not of a
> prioritry for our region, we have more urgent issues now in terms of
> internet access, coverage and prices.
> am sure in South Africa, one of the most advanced technically-economic
> African countries you facing important internt user's issue which is not
> in ICANN area .
> Said that, we should not stop our participation and contributions to
> ICANN, someone like yourself and others could bring an African
> prospective when ICANN is discuss issues that will effect African Domain
> owners in the gTLD space . we need to extend this participation to more
> members-ALS not just few active persons .
>
> * "If there is any further participation requirement I would add:
> - African ALS are required to inform all their members of AfRALO
> activities and opportunities to participate, as well as any ICANN
> activities that may directly effect them.
> - African ALS are required to initiate and participate in any discussion
> that directly relates to African Internet Users. "
> I agree with your suggestions  .. this is critical and special an active
> secretariat empowered with translation and simplifed documents prepared
> by ICANN specifically for At-Large .
>
> * The mailing list could be used as a forum to discuss African Internet
> user's issue, it dose not have to be only ICANN policy topics .
>
> Regards,
> Mohamed
>
>
>
> Alan Levin wrote:
> > Dear Mohammed and others,
> >
> > On 06 Jul 2009, at 8:28 PM, Mohamed EL Bashir wrote:
> >> As i promised on last AfRALO Teleconferences, please find attached my
> >> proposed document on AfRALO active participation document,The main
> >> objective this document is to list the available AfRALO participation
> >> channels and tools ( e.g AfRALO teleconferences, AfRALO mailing list,
> >> ..ect ), and set a minimum participation criteria for the
> >> participation of AfRALO members in order to encourage an active
> >> participation in ICANN policy development processes.
> >
> > This is very kind of you and I agree with others comments that it is a
> > great effort. Thank you!
> >
> > The following are my personal comments and do not necessarily reflect
> > the views of ISOC-ZA.
> >
> >> Minimum Participation: ALS are encouraged to participate in AfRALO
> >> month teleconference, and maintain minimum of 50% of AfRALO yearly
> >> Teleconference ?12 teleconference? ( 6 teleconference a year ). Any
> >> ALS will be participate in less than 50% of the teleconferences will
> >> be considered un-active member.
> >
> > I have participated in one teleconference and attempted to participate
> > in two others. I am sorry that I found it very frustrating, it is
> > challenging to deal with the poor telecommunications infrastructure in
> > Africa. I found that combined with the challenge of real time
> > translation it is not workable for me. At this stage I cannot find
> > another volunteer who will do this. I suggest that another format must
> > be used if you want to drive teleconference participation.
> >
> >> Minimum Participation: it?s not hard measure mailing list postings
> >> but members are required to participate and post a in a minimum 1
> >> discussed topic in a given month.
> >
> > I have been through the mailing list and I'm not certain that there
> > are sufficient topics relevant to African development to insist on
> > this. In reality there are possibly only a couple of issues that ICANN
> > touches on that really effect African users. I am not certain if this
> > is one I will support although I am possibly missing the point.
> >
> >> Minimum Participation: Online participation in wikis can differ from
> >> a member to another member, but AfRALO members should minimally
> >> contribute to one Wiki topic at a given month.
> >
> > Similar to mailing list.
> >
> >> Minimum Participation: African ALS are encouraged to participate in
> >> AfRALO GM .
> >
> > This is a generic requirement and probably the one that I most agree
> > with although I suggest some minor changes.
> >
> > - African ALS are required to vote in every AFRalo decision ALSs are
> > consulted on and require a vote (including appointment of new ALAC
> > members, policy decisions, polls, etc.) Should any ALS not vote on any
> > three consecutive voting opportunities they are removed as an ALS
> > (there will need to be various warnings should there be a vote and
> > this will need to be added to the bylaws if it is to hold any weight).
> >
> > If there is any further participation requirement I would add:
> > - African ALS are required to inform all their members of AfRALO
> > activities and opportunities to participate, as well as any ICANN
> > activities that may directly effect them.
> > - African ALS are required to initiate and participate in any
> > discussion that directly relates to African Internet Users.
> >
> > Please feel free to flame me :)
> >
> > warm regards to you all,
> >
> > Alan
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 08:30:39 +0300
> From: Mohamed EL Bashir <admin at isoc.sd>
> Subject: Re: [AFRI-Discuss] AfRALO Participation Document
> To: McTim <mctim at bushnet.net>
> Cc: afri-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> Message-ID: <4A5EBAFF.2010005 at isoc.sd>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252; format=flowed
>
> McTim,
>
> no body is enforcing any things on AfRALO, this is an internal RALO
> discussion to enhance our participation and have a meaningful
> outcomes of our participation. we have many other issues in Africa and
> many of the African ALS are working on it but that's dose not mean we
> should not activley participant and bring an African prospective to
> internet policy making .
>
> Regards,
> Mohamed
>
> McTim wrote:
> > hi Alan,
> >
> > I agree with your points and think it not useful that African RALOs
> > are held to astandard of participation that no one else in the
> > internet policy making is subject to (that I am aware of anyway).
> >
> > apologies for the top posting.
> >
> > regards,
> >
> > McTim
> >
> > On Wed, Jul 15, 2009 at 3:39 PM, Alan Levin<alan at futureperfect.co.za>
> wrote:
> >
> >> Dear Mohammed and others,
> >>
> >> On 06 Jul 2009, at 8:28 PM, Mohamed EL Bashir wrote:
> >>
> >>> As i promised on last AfRALO Teleconferences, please find attached my
> >>> proposed document on AfRALO active participation document,The main
> objective
> >>> this document is to list the available AfRALO participation channels
> and
> >>> tools ( e.g AfRALO teleconferences, AfRALO mailing list, ..ect ), and
> set a
> >>> minimum participation criteria for the participation of AfRALO members
> in
> >>> order to encourage an active participation in ICANN policy development
> >>> processes.
> >>>
> >> This is very kind of you and I agree with others comments that it is a
> great
> >> effort. Thank you!
> >>
> >> The following are my personal comments and do not necessarily reflect
> the
> >> views of ISOC-ZA.
> >>
> >>
> >>> Minimum Participation: ALS are encouraged to participate in AfRALO
> month
> >>> teleconference, and maintain minimum of 50% of AfRALO yearly
> Teleconference
> >>> ?12 teleconference? ( 6 teleconference a year ). Any ALS will be
> participate
> >>> in less than 50% of the teleconferences will be considered un-active
> member.
> >>>
> >> I have participated in one teleconference and attempted to participate
> in
> >> two others. I am sorry that I found it very frustrating, it is
> challenging
> >> to deal with the poor telecommunications infrastructure in Africa. I
> found
> >> that combined with the challenge of real time translation it is not
> workable
> >> for me. At this stage I cannot find another volunteer who will do this.
> I
> >> suggest that another format must be used if you want to drive
> teleconference
> >> participation.
> >>
> >>
> >>> Minimum Participation: it?s not hard measure mailing list postings but
> >>> members are required to participate and post a in a minimum 1 discussed
> >>> topic in a given month.
> >>>
> >> I have been through the mailing list and I'm not certain that there are
> >> sufficient topics relevant to African development to insist on this. In
> >> reality there are possibly only a couple of issues that ICANN touches on
> >> that really effect African users. I am not certain if this is one I will
> >> support although I am possibly missing the point.
> >>
> >>
> >>> Minimum Participation: Online participation in wikis can differ from a
> >>> member to another member, but AfRALO members should minimally
> contribute to
> >>> one Wiki topic at a given month.
> >>>
> >> Similar to mailing list.
> >>
> >>
> >>> Minimum Participation: African ALS are encouraged to participate in
> AfRALO
> >>> GM .
> >>>
> >> This is a generic requirement and probably the one that I most agree
> with
> >> although I suggest some minor changes.
> >>
> >> - African ALS are required to vote in every AFRalo decision ALSs are
> >> consulted on and require a vote (including appointment of new ALAC
> members,
> >> policy decisions, polls, etc.) Should any ALS not vote on any three
> >> consecutive voting opportunities they are removed as an ALS (there will
> need
> >> to be various warnings should there be a vote and this will need to be
> added
> >> to the bylaws if it is to hold any weight).
> >>
> >> If there is any further participation requirement I would add:
> >> - African ALS are required to inform all their members of AfRALO
> activities
> >> and opportunities to participate, as well as any ICANN activities that
> may
> >> directly effect them.
> >> - African ALS are required to initiate and participate in any discussion
> >> that directly relates to African Internet Users.
> >>
> >> Please feel free to flame me :)
> >>
> >> warm regards to you all,
> >>
> >> Alan
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 5
> Date: Thu, 16 Jul 2009 08:33:14 +0300
> From: Mohamed EL Bashir <admin at isoc.sd>
> Subject: Re: [AFRI-Discuss] Re :  AfRALO Participation Document
> To: Yaovi Atohoun <yaovito at yahoo.fr>
> Cc: afri-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> Message-ID: <4A5EBB9A.4000009 at isoc.sd>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed
>
> Yaovi,
>
> Thanks for volunteering, am gathering the comments raised in the mailing
> list to include them in the document .
> we can discuss the mechanisms on how to make this approach work ..
>
> Regards,
> Mohamed
>
> Yaovi Atohoun wrote:
> > Hi Mohamed,
> >
> > This is a very good document. I have also a suggestion:
> >
> > Apart all the listed mechanisms in place now, I would like a volunteer to
> send another reminder to the list at leat 48 hours before the monthly
> teleconference.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Yaovi
> >
> > --- En date de : Lun 6.7.09, Mohamed EL Bashir <admin at isoc.sd> a ?crit :
> >
> > De: Mohamed EL Bashir <admin at isoc.sd>
> > Objet: [AFRI-Discuss] AfRALO Participation Document
> > ?: afri-discuss at atlarge-lists.icann.org
> > Date: Lundi 6 Juillet 2009, 20h28
> >
> > Dear All,
> >
> > As i promised on last AfRALO Teleconferences, please find attached my
> proposed document on AfRALO active participation document,The main objective
> this document is to list the available AfRALO participation channels and
> tools ( e.g AfRALO teleconferences, AfRALO mailing list, ..ect ), and set a
> minimum participation criteria for the participation of AfRALO members in
> order to encourage an active participation in ICANN policy development
> processes..
> >
> > This document can be provided also to new African ALS to provide
> information on how to participate within AfRALO.
> >
> > Attached is the same English document translated to French .
> >
> > Regards,
> > Mohamed
> > --------------------------------------------------------------
> > French Translation : using google translation
> > --------------------------------------------------------------
> > Chers tous,
> >
> > Esp?rons que vous avez fait un bon voyage ? Sydney.
> >
> > Comme je l'ai promis ? la derni?re AfRALO T?l?conf?rences, s'il vous
> pla?t trouver ci-joint mon projet de document sur la participation active
> AfRALO document L'objectif principal de ce document est de dresser la liste
> des cha?nes disponibles AfRALO participation et des outils (par exemple
> AfRALO des t?l?conf?rences, AfRALO mailing liste, ect ..), et fixer une
> participation minimale des crit?res pour la participation des membres AfRALO
> afin de favoriser une participation active au processus d'?laboration des
> politiques ICANN.
> >
> >
> > Observe,
> > Mohamed
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----La pi?ce jointe associ?e suit-----
> >
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